Dutch Boyd posting at 2+2

[dux]

User 'Dutch Boyd' posted in depth about a hand he played against Moneymaker in the WSOP. Is this the same guy who ran away with alot of people's money, some from this forum? If so, weird he's posting here.

[Terry]

Maybe he's getting ready to pay us the money he owes us -- or maybe he thinks we have forgotten about it.

[OffTilt]

LOL, keep dreaming. He has never claimed any personal responsibility for the debt. He just blaims the intermediary who handled the e-deposits.

That's like the casino hiring a teller who pockets the money you buy chips with, and then having the casino tell you that they can't pay you for your chips and it's not their fault, they're sorry, but they owe you nothing.

[Rushmore]

Offtilt, you seem to be the one of the few people here capable of making the critical distinction between investors and customers.

The players at the site ostensibly (and, one would hope and assume, legally) assume only the risk of playing poker, not the risk of losing their money to scumbags who improperly manage, hire, and account, and then pawn off their losses on the players.

Nobody likes to insult people.

Nobody except ME, of course.

Dutch Boyd is a scumbag who hid behind the skirts of legal loopholes. As the principal owner of the site, it was his full responsibilty to be certain that the funds deposited into accounts were properly and safely deposited somewhere, and that they were full accounted for.

Anyone who lost money in this scam should be suing his ass. I suppose we may assume he has a few bucks now. Someone should take it from him.

[OffTilt]

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Offtilt, you seem to be the one of the few people here capable of making the critical distinction between investors and customers.

The players at the site ostensibly (and, one would hope and assume, legally) assume only the risk of playing poker, not the risk of losing their money to scumbags who improperly manage, hire, and account, and then pawn off their losses on the players.

Nobody likes to insult people.

Nobody except ME, of course.

Dutch Boyd is a scumbag who hid behind the skirts of legal loopholes. As the principal owner of the site, it was his full responsibilty to be certain that the funds deposited into accounts were properly and safely deposited somewhere, and that they were full accounted for.

Anyone who lost money in this scam should be suing his ass. I suppose we may assume he has a few bucks now. Someone should take it from him.

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I agree completely, everyone keeps saying he is immune to any lawsuit. I'm shocked to find we have so many legal experts on this board and RGP. But has anyone actually tried to sue him? Were they lauged out of court? Until this happens I don't want to hear he is immune. The law isn't rigid, it can bend and twist in an effort to deliver justice (and sometimes injustice [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] ), we all agree that if "justice were served", Russ would be working frantically to pay back every single player, and taking up his issue with the intermediary on the side. Who doesn't agree with that?

We all should be talking about ways to achieve this justice (or at least bitching that it hasn't been achieved), not about all the legal hoopholes Russ might have to slip out of it. Is a lawsuit a possibility? I don't know, but I don't think anyone else knows for sure either until they've tried. I know people have been successfully sued for far lesser crimes, corporate shield or not.

[Jim Easton]

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I'm shocked to find we have so many legal experts on this board and RGP.

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There are about 200 law schools in the country. I believe they give out about 50,000 law degrees a year (UT gave about 500 when I graduated in 1991). You shouldn't be too surprised to see people with legal backgrounds posting.

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But has anyone actually tried to sue him? Were they lauged out of court? Until this happens I don't want to hear he is immune.

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I doubt they would be laughed out of court. There certainly seem to be some issues of fact a court would look at. I don't know enough facts to be definitive, but it this could be a case where the corporate veil would be pierced. He did go to law school, and it is likely he was very careful about the technicalities.

A lawsuit would have many problems. He is likely to be judgment proof. The legality of online poker is unsettled, and any contract between the players and the site could be seen as void.

The cost of pursuing any lawsuit would deter most of the players from even trying. Depending on the forum and the cause of action, it could be possible to get a judgment for costs and fees, however, actually collecting them could prove to be extremely difficult.

It would be difficult (impossible?) to find an attorney willing to pursue such a case on a contingent basis because of the likely difficulties of collecting in the event a judgment is obtained.

[Rushmore]

OK. I'll bite.

As a relative newbie, I don't know what you're talking about.

But it sure is intiguing.

DO tell!

[Aceshigh7]

He posts on rec.gambling.poker too. He has responded to comments about the casino he started in the past that went under. He seems like a nice guy but of course if I was one of the people that lost money Id be pissed at him too. He got alot of exposure during the WSOP and this probably angered those people who lost their money even more.

[dux]

I arrived at 2+2 after the pokerspot debacle, but when Dutch Boyd made it to the final stages of the 2003 WSOP, the issue arose again. It seems Boyd was the owner of a poker room which happened to go bust. The players with money left on the site did not get paid. It seems Terry was one of them which I didn't know.

[Terry]

Yes, dux, I was one of them, but I didn't lose nearly as much as someone who's cats I pity when he sees that post.