15-30: 5 hands vs same opponent

Clarkmeister · #1 08-07-2003, 02:33 AM

Or...."not all hands occur in a vacuum"...Or, Clark is overthinking things and posting something entirely too long.

Game is 15-30 at Commerce. It tends towards aggressive, but if several limp early, its usually 6 or 7 ways for 1 bet, maybe 2. If folded around to MP, its gonna be 3 ways for 2 or 3 bets. Good mix of players:

Seat 1: The 2nd tightest player I have ever seen (happens to be Asian, go figure).
Seat 2: Tight Aggressive Chinese woman who is always at Commerce when I am.
Seat 3: A very solid but overaggressive African American player who definitely can read hands. His overaggression occurs when it is folded to him preflop, where he raises a huge range of hands. Postflop I would say he has the aggression of a Typical TwoPlusTwoer (TTTr).
Seat 4: An overaggressive white grandma who loves to 3 bet isolation against seat 3.
Seat 5: A fairly straightforward Asian kid on my right.
Seat 6: Me
Seat 7: A cantankerous middle aged white guy who is falling asleep from time to time and isn't a factor ever.
Seat 8: and a pure loose passive who defends his blinds with almost anything and always has what he is representing when he raises postflop.
Seat 9: My main opponent:

My main opponent is a young Asian player who I suspect views himself as tossing off the illusion of action. His preflop raises are very ABC, maybe even tight, he rarely gets out of line here. But he will defend his blinds with literally any two cards for one more bet and is very vocal about this fact. He is also capable of coldcalling with dominated hands. His postflop play tends towards straightforward, with the deception coming from the wide range of holdings he likes to defend with. He also remembers every beat he takes all day, and whines endlessly about them, despite winning several huge pots with some serious miracles. He likes to ask opponents if they have "it", and has folded twice when his opponent said he did (opponent shoed "it" both times). We'll call him Andy9, because...well...I heard someone else call him Andy and he was in seat 9.

Anyways, here come 5 hands all of which involve Andy. Feel free to comment on any of my play, as I would appreciate feedback on any (all) of them. I'll post hand 1 here, and the rest of the hands in responses to this post, just to break it out without starting 5 threads.

Hand 1: Ala Dynasty, I open limp UTG+1 with Ac4c, 4 limpers including Loosey, Andy and TTTr. SB completes, and BB (player who leaves after this hand) raises. All call. 7 to the flop for 7BBs.

Flop: Kc 7c 6c. Checked to me, I bet the nuts, Loosey and Andy call, TTTr raises from LP, folded to me, I ponder confronting Loosey and Andy with 2 cold, but 3-bet anyways, Loosey folds.

Andy pauses, looks at me and says "do you have the flush?". I skrunch up my face and give me "hell no" look and say "nah". Andy calls, TTTr calls.

Turn: Jd. I bet, Andy calls, TTTr raises, I 3-bet.

Andy looks at me, says again "Are you *sure* you don't have the flush?". I say to him "forget about me, what do you think *he* has (I nodded towards TTTr). Andy pauses, says "small flush" and coldcalls 2. TTTr calls.

River is 3h. I bet the nuts, Andy folds a the Qc face up, TTTr calls and my hand is obviously good. Andy starts telling me he's going to get me for lying to him and TTTr tells his neighbor that I "tricked" him on the flop as he folds his Jc9c.

Hand #2 in next post. All comments welcome.

Clarkmeister · #2 08-07-2003, 02:41 AM

Straighforward kid in seat 5 openraises in EMP. This means a "normal" EMP open raising hand, whatever that is. I 3-bet with AKo. Andy coldcalls on the button saying "I owe you for tricking me", blinds fold, SK calls. 3 to the flop for about 5.5BBs.

Flop: Ac Qs 5d. SK bets, I raise, Andy coldcalls, SK calls. 3 to the turn.

Turn: Jh. Checked around.

River: Before it comes out, SK mutters "I've got to stop missing bets" then bets when the 2d comes. I call. Andy asks for time and raises. SK calls, I ask for time. I look at Andy and say "3-4?" and finally fold. Andy gleefully tables 34o to beat SK's AJo. TTTr asks me if I had pocket KK. Andy then starts talking about how he told me he was gonna "get me". I say nice pot and mean it.

Maroon · #3 08-07-2003, 10:58 AM

If the kid really is "straightforward," couldn't you muck on the river (before Andy's raise) and save a BB? What could he have that you're beating? Or did you think that you would chop the pot with him?

Clarkmeister · #4 08-07-2003, 12:58 PM

"If the kid really is "straightforward," couldn't you muck on the river (before Andy's raise) and save a BB? What could he have that you're beating? Or did you think that you would chop the pot with him? "

I almost did, but since I checked the turn, there is no way that he can put me on AK, so I have to call since he may simply think that his ATs, or some such is good.

bruce · #5 08-07-2003, 12:25 PM

Against goofballs I still feel it's tempting to make an overcall on the river. Obviously you were there and its hard to translate body language into a post, but I have no doubt I am way ahead of the game with my river overcalls and its not even close. But to be a contrarian it was raised and then called so maybe folding is the best course of action, close still in my humble opinion.

Bruce

cosmo kramer · #6 08-07-2003, 01:15 PM

Well played. The only hand that he could have that you beat at this point is KK, and if he does have that the free card won't hurt you. As for Andy, from this hand he seems like the kind of guy I would like shooting for me if he's gonna call with that.

rharless · #7 08-07-2003, 02:53 PM

What is the reasoning for checking the turn? I would be betting the turn with two opponents, but I'm sure that you have good reasons for checking it.

JTG51 · #8 08-07-2003, 05:14 PM

What is the reasoning for checking the turn?

Clarkmeister most likely put his opponent on a good Ace when he raised preflop then bet the flop. With the J on the turn Clarkmeister is running out of good Aces that he beats.

cosmo kramer · #9 08-07-2003, 08:21 PM

A straightforward preflop raiser raises: AA-JJ, maybe 1010, AK, AQ, AJs. Clark beats only one hand, KK, and is tied with AK, so a check is the best play.

Clarkmeister · #10 08-07-2003, 02:46 AM

Andy openraises in EP. As I posted in the initial description, this means a good hand. 3 coldcallers including TTTr in LP. I call in my SB with Ah8h, BB calls. 6 to the flop for 6BBs.

Flop: Kh Js 7h. Checked to Andy who bets, folded to TTTr who raises, I checkraise 3-bet, Andy calls, TTTr calls. 3 to the turn.

Turn: Th. I make my flush and Bet-call-call.

River: 3c. I bet, Andy calls, TTTr reluctantly folds. Obviously my hand is good and Andy shows AKo. I wanted to checkraise the turn, but no way can I count on TTTr betting with that turn card coming.