Another TT Hand

Typical 5-10. UTG with whom I never played with before and looked kind of nervous, tight-passive but sensible player, raised for only the 3rd time after playing with him for about 4 hours. Three limpers to me at late MP and I decided to limp with black TT. Folded to BB who called.

Flop K T 8 rainbow. BB checked, UTG bet, MP1 called, I raised, BB folded, UTG made it 3, MP1 looked trapped but called , I capped, both called.

Turn another K. UTG bets, MP1 reluctantly called, I raised, UTG 3-bet again, MP1 mucked. What's my play?

Results later.

[J.R.]

Cap the turn. If he leads the river, call, if checked to on the river, bet and call a check-raise. It sucks if he has KK, but AK is not improbable, even though he only raised 3 times in 4 hours.

[slavic]

Cap it. The only hand that beats you is KK that he could logically have. While I might put him on AK or KK early once the second falls, I think it's hard to automatically say it's KK.

Besides if he has quads you still have 1 out to the bad beat pot. [img]/forums/images/icons/smirk.gif[/img]

[Louie Landale]

After 4 hours you shouldn't have any trouble profiling him as "sensibly tight passive". If so, figure he has a good hand when he DOES assert himself.

Fold TT in MP against this player. At best you are even money against his over-cards and you still have to face the field. Call if there is likely going to be a big field and play for your set.

I think you should call the flop 3-bet, hehehe, figuring to raise the turn. But it worked out anyway.

He didn't raise with KT nor K8, so the ONLY hand he can have to beat you is KK; and there is only ONE of them left. Whereas there are 8 ways he can have AK, 3 ways he may have 88, and 6 ways he can be over-playing AA; not to mention the long shot QJ or other draw.

But you can call, hehehe, figuring to raise the river unless an A, K, or 8 comes.

- Louie

[Joe Tall]

I'm unclear to the action did UTG raise or limp preflop?

It was his only third raise PF in 4 hours.

[Joe Tall]

Therefore you didn't limp, you called 2 cold?

Fold preflop.

[J.R.]

After a raise and three coldcallers, with the blinds possibly along, I think the odds are plenty fine to play TT here, especially since you will get the aggressive post-flop action you are looking for if you flop your set.

[Joe Tall]

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After a raise and three coldcallers, with the blinds possibly along, I think the odds are plenty fine to play TT here, especially since you will get the aggressive post-flop action you are looking for if you flop your set.

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We have a rock that has raised UTG. Surely you are WAY behind, and at 5:1 preflop to flop a set which is more than likely needed to win, I'd fold JJ and less here. I'm thinking that UTG has QQ+ so are you are saying you would play any pocket pair with the SAME situation and SAME action, here? What's the difference between TT and 33 in this spot?

If I was on the button and got 4 cold callers than, maybe. But I rearly cold call, either 3-bet or get out.

I'm interested in what others think about this debate, good reply btw and hopefully others will join the discussion.

Peace,
Joe