Learning SH play a prereq for advancing to 2/4 and beyond?

RustyCJ · #1 12-11-2005, 02:39 PM

I started out with .25/.5 FR and I've been 4 tabling .5/1 and doing well.

I've now started .5/1 6max because I've heard and read that it is necessary to learn the aggression in order to succeed at 2/4 and beyond.

However, I'm doing terrible at .5/1 6max, after 10k hands my VP$IP is around 19 and my PFR is 12. I know I need to be more aggressive and raise more, but I have real trouble finding correct spots.

I have a couple of starting hand charts and I follow them for the most part, I have trouble with Ax and I will pitch some of those hands but for the most part I stick to the chart.

So, I'm trying to learn SH play because from what I've read, I feel like I need to in order to advance. I am correct here or can I learn what I need to by taking shots at 1/2 FR and then 2/4 FR?

Aaron W. · #2 12-11-2005, 02:43 PM

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I started out with .25/.5 FR and I've been 4 tabling .5/1 and doing well.

I've now started .5/1 6max because I've heard and read that it is necessary to learn the aggression in order to succeed at 2/4 and beyond.

However, I'm doing terrible at .5/1 6max, after 10k hands my VP$IP is around 19 and my PFR is 12. I know I need to be more aggressive and raise more, but I have real trouble finding correct spots.

I have a couple of starting hand charts and I follow them for the most part, I have trouble with Ax and I will pitch some of those hands but for the most part I stick to the chart.

So, I'm trying to learn SH play because from what I've read, I feel like I need to in order to advance. I am correct here or can I learn what I need to by taking shots at 1/2 FR and then 2/4 FR?

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Since you have two statements about preflop play and not a word about postflop, I'm guessing that you need to work on your postflop game.

RustyCJ · #3 12-11-2005, 03:00 PM

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Since you have two statements about preflop play and not a word about postflop, I'm guessing that you need to work on your postflop game.

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Oh I know I need to work on my postflop game, it's just not going to happen overnight either, I know that as well and every situation is so different in 6max.

FR seems so much more "procedural" to me.

POKhER · #4 12-11-2005, 03:09 PM

Dont bother with 1/2 full ring, get 500BB for .5/1 and jump straight into that 6max.

Roy: When i read your response it sounds like you want to avoid the donks and fish at the lower levels?

You say you dont learn much? Value bets,Hand reading, Note taking.

ALL VALUBLE skills for the higher limits.

Dont rush moving up because "The rake eats your bankroll". Work harder to make your profits bigger due to the rake hindering them.

Don't take shortcuts and run to 2/4 and 3/6, You'll miss valuble lessons which will result in COSTLY lessons/misplays in the future.

Just my 2cents...
i tried 500 hands at .10/.20, 1k at .25/.50 and 5k at .5/1 and now moved up to 1/2. I noticed BIG CHANGES in the aggression levels of the opponents aswell as skill... But maybe its because i play at a tighter site.

Roy6 · #5 12-11-2005, 03:15 PM

To make this clear...

I think due the horrible rake at 1/2 PP, 19/13 style is optimal. This means you significantly cut the # of hands you play. Of course it's good to play against 3-4 donks postflop, but it doesn't help learning how to play 'real SH' postflop (it's generally HU by the turn).

I'm still at 19-20% VPIP at 3/6 and struggle to add more hands although I know I should play at least 22%.

bottomset · #6 12-11-2005, 04:04 PM

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I think due the horrible rake at 1/2 PP, 19/13 style is optimal

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you underestimate exactly how bad the play is there

that is way too tight

RustyCJ · #7 12-11-2005, 03:24 PM

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Dont bother with 1/2 full ring, get 500BB for .5/1 and jump straight into that 6max.

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to clarify, once I have 500BB for .5/1 I should then move to 1/2 6 max? or just play .5/1 6max for a while longer?

POKhER · #8 12-11-2005, 03:31 PM

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Dont bother with 1/2 full ring, get 500BB for .5/1 and jump straight into that 6max.

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to clarify, once I have 500BB for .5/1 I should then move to 1/2 6 max? or just play .5/1 6max for a while longer?

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.5/1 - You can put work in to win some here for say 5 - 10k(That goes faster at 6max) then move to 1/2.

its nice to be over bankrolled, and 6max is VERY SWINGY.

ROY - I'm not a believer in "OPTIMAL" stats, Of course you can raise a tad more and bet a bit more to improve your game but i think advice such as "Play more hands, raise more" if to often applied incorrectly and leads the player into difficult situations and losing habits.

Not to say you dont need to raise your VPIP and whatever else, but i'm not a believer in "optimal" stats to fit everyone. Think this is WRONG.

RustyCJ, Incase you think 500BB is alot. My Bankroll is around $2000 and i'm playing 1/2(having just moved up yesturday).

Good luck,
I love 6max and i felt clueless and wondered if i'd be able to adapt. Early days to know if i can beat it yet, But im enjoying it.

Roy6 · #9 12-11-2005, 02:47 PM

I think it's not really wort it playing anything lower than 2/4 SH.
The rake is a huge factor and your marginal hands can become marginally -EV due to the rake.
The players are really so donkish that you can't learn that much.
I would advocate to play 2/4 at Stars or at Prima, they are both good games and have very friendly rake system.
You can up your VPIP to 22-24% or so in that structure.

bottomset · #10 12-11-2005, 02:50 PM

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I think it's not really wort it playing anything lower than 2/4 SH.
The rake is a huge factor and your marginal hands can become marginally -EV due to the rake.
The players are really so donkish that you can't learn that much.
I would advocate to play 2/4 at Stars or at Prima, they are both good games and have very friendly rake system.
You can up your VPIP to 22-24% or so in that structure.

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Party 1/2 6max is insanely easy and beatable