setting the bear trap at the ol' 200nl

meleader2 · #1 12-07-2005, 11:23 AM

hero has 200$
villain has 150$

preflop hero is on button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

only villain limps, hero makes it 8$, villain calls.

reads: villain is super tight preflop but will try to push you off a hand if he suspects you have AK..

flop (18.75$):

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now normally i'd 15$-pot this spot, but instead i check when checked to me.

turn (18.75$):

[T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

now when it's checked to me i bet 5$, villain thinks and thinks and comes over the top to 20$. I push.

xorbie · #2 12-07-2005, 11:26 AM

See the problem is now you win $20 extra (maybe) but lose $150 when behind 100% of the time. I'd bet the flop, check the turn and raise the river.

Hattifnatt · #3 12-07-2005, 11:40 AM

Ugh, he will probably only call when he has you crushed. Just call his c/r on the turn.

rwanger · #4 12-07-2005, 11:40 AM

Re-read what you wrote about the villian. Why would you push the turn if he reads you for a bluff?

I have no problem with checking a flop like this once in a while. But when he checkraises, you are either way ahead or drawing to two outs. He folds 100% of the time you are ahead, and calls 100% of the time he is ahead (since he'd have to have a fullhouse).

Just call the turn and see what he does on the river.

RikaKazak · #5 12-07-2005, 03:58 PM

you're wrong man, 100% of the time OP is ahead you think villian folds??? NAH, sometimes people play a weird JJ-KK that way, and even a tight villian will probably call with KK. I think that on turn, just call the ck raise, and let him bluff at you again.

By the way, I hate checking this flop, if you're not getting action, it's better to raise more and c-bet more, then check behind with big pairs.

pokerjoker · #6 12-07-2005, 11:52 AM

I don't really like this one. Limp call from a tight player usually means a low/mid PP. Unless he is an idiot here (or 2% played his KK really really weird) its a win $20 (no set)/lose $150 (set).

When you push u either wanna do it when u know your beat (bluff or semibluff) or when you are have a great hand and expect opponent to have a 2nd best hand that would put his chips in the middle) pushing into a small pot when you are unsure and the only thing that calls you beats you is going to hurt.

ninjia3x · #7 12-07-2005, 02:05 PM

ewww, why would u do that...

meleader2 · #8 12-07-2005, 02:12 PM

i was fairly certain i'd get the responses that i got along the lines of ew i don't like that. and in retrospect, you're right from an objective view. however, the villain here wasn't a true ABC nut peddler but he seemed more along the evolution line of figuring he can make more $ with his low PP's and trying to read hands of his opponents.

he called, had 99 river bricked MHIG.

either way you look at it, i agree 100% with everyone here that he'll call with sets...the majority of the time. i rarely do this however and felt i can get away with it against the opponent. thanks again for the thoughts!

ahnuld · #9 12-07-2005, 02:48 PM

no need to get tricksey, just bet the flop. This isnt 2k nl, opponents really arent that observant. I dont like push, just call here and raise his river bet instead or raise a smaller amount.

meleader2 · #10 12-07-2005, 02:50 PM

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no need to get tricksey, just bet the flop. This isnt 2k nl, opponents really arent that observant. I dont like push, just call here and raise his river bet instead or raise a smaller amount.

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you're right this isn't 2k nl. it also isn't 2nl. if this was 200nl at the casino i'd be all for your thinking. however, this is mid-stakes and believe it or not, poker players CAN be good.