turn

PokerBob · #1 12-04-2005, 07:08 PM

villain is 40/9/1.35...haven't seen too much from him.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, hero does what and why?

Peter Harris · #2 12-04-2005, 07:14 PM

Continuation bets because of three reasons:
a) holding overcards in case opponent has a 5 or 6,
b) your flush draw,
c) plus the folding equity of the second jack.

If c/r, i call and fold a donk when i miss a flush.

admiralfluff · #3 12-04-2005, 07:16 PM

I bet, because we probably have an equity edge. I don't think villain will ever fold a better hand, but loose villain could peel that flop with any 2. If I felt a c/r was very likely from a huge LAG who likes to bluff scare cards, I would check and call river UI.

imported_leader · #4 12-04-2005, 07:16 PM

bet. Sometimes you have the best hand. Sometimes he folds. Sometimes you suck out.

Jinx · #5 12-04-2005, 07:18 PM

I used to always bet this, thinking that if I get C/Red it's no big deal because I have outs anyways. Then I eventually how stupid it was for me to pay 2 BB to see a river instead of 0 bb's. You can bet against this opponent since he doesn't seem aggro enough to C/R you with a 5 or a 6 or even 78o, but I'd still check it. The second jack changes nothing and he's not folding a pair here ever.

I might also call the river UI depending on what it is.

#6 12-04-2005, 07:49 PM

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I used to always bet this, thinking that if I get C/Red it's no big deal because I have outs anyways. Then I eventually how stupid it was for me to pay 2 BB to see a river instead of 0 bb's. You can bet against this opponent since he doesn't seem aggro enough to C/R you with a 5 or a 6 or even 78o, but I'd still check it. The second jack changes nothing and he's not folding a pair here ever.

I might also call the river UI depending on what it is.

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So you generally check here against this type of opponent? I would think that the things that Peter said as reasons to bet outweigh the fear of getting c/red.

If you do get c/red and you are fairly confident that it's not a c/r bluff, then you can easily get away from the hand on the river UI.

I dunno, it seems to be better to err on the side of aggression here. But then again, I think I'm too aggressive sometimes.

edit: I should note that it is a good point not to autobet so much as your post implied.

POKhER · #7 12-04-2005, 08:09 PM

Free card OR bet are equally ok i reckon(I've not done the maths so who knows).

Fold equity,
Numerous outs to improve,
Maybe ahead(value)
Vs
Calling 2bets because we have outs to call sucks.

I reckon i bet though.

#8 12-04-2005, 08:29 PM

I think this depends on the opponent. For example a solid player is never folding anything to that turn bet because he already picked up something on the flop.

#9 12-04-2005, 09:01 PM

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I think this depends on the opponent. For example a solid player is never folding anything to that turn bet because he already picked up something on the flop.

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Yeah, that's what I was thinking...read dependant. I think it's okay to bet if in question and against a passive player.

Chairman Wood · #10 12-04-2005, 09:24 PM

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So you generally check here against this type of opponent? I would think that the things that Peter said as reasons to bet outweigh the fear of getting c/red.

If you do get c/red and you are fairly confident that it's not a c/r bluff, then you can easily get away from the hand on the river UI.

I dunno, it seems to be better to err on the side of aggression here. But then again, I think I'm too aggressive sometimes.

edit: I should note that it is a good point not to autobet so much as your post implied.

[/ QUOTE ] If you get c/r do you call a river bet if you spike say the Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]?