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Help settle this debate!
Hi all,
here's a situation a player I know got himself into and I completely disagree with his play. Tell me what you would do. Always wanting to improve my skills I'd like to know if I'm really wrong or right. You are 3 hours into a 500$ limit Hold'em tournament. Each player started with 500 in chips. After getting all rags you're down to your last 125. I don't know what the limits were but I'm guessing the blinds were 25-50. You're on the button and 5 players limp in front of you. You look down and see 7s2s. What do you do? |
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Re: Help settle this debate!
How many spots are paid, and how many are left in the tournament?
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Re: Help settle this debate!
I frankly do not know, but you are not near the money.
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5 limpers + the blinds, if I call I'm getting 7-1 on the call and I still have my blinds left if I fold on the flop. I think if this were even 76s I'd raise and make my stand here, but 72s, I'd probably just fold. I've got 2 orbits before I'm blinded away. Mathmatically, I'm probably wrong, but it would be a hard call to make.
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Re: Help settle this debate!
If I knew I was going to get 6-7 big blinds on whatever hand I wind up playing in those two orbits, I agree...76s looks better than 72s (although 8 handed there is only about a 4% difference).
The key to me here is winning 7 big blinds, plus a few more based on the flop, on this one puts me back in serious contention. Winning a hand in the second orbit, even with a couple of callers, doesnt do much more than waste some time at the table. The objective isnt to win a hand, its to get into the money, and the prize equity knowing you already have 7 callers has got to be bigger than the prize equity waiting for a better hand but an unknown number of callers. After reading Ignatius' vehement response that its an automatic fold, I thought more about it, and think its an automatic all in. elindauer's repsonse probably says the same things but better. |
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Re: Help settle this debate!
its an automatic all in.
It's limit, so you raise and have $25 left. Hey, in this chip situation, I'd always rather take my stand with a good drawing hand and a couple of limpers, but with 7 hands before my big blind, I'm not doing it with 72, suited or not. |
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Fold. Sure the five-way action looks nice, but 72s is a monster dog here. Plus, even if you make your draw you won't have any chips left to realize its full value.
This is a situation where you should be looking to openraise, get heads up with the BB, and double through. |
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Its close, and I would probably make a stand here. 72s against 5 limpers and 2 blinds is about a 7.5/1 dog and you are only getting 6.5/1 if the small blind doesnt complete, 7/1 if he does, so you are definitely on the short end.
On the other hand you are a blind away from being out, with a chance to build a real stack in one hand. You have to gamble, why not do it when it has a real payoff. Go all in. Winnowing out the other draw hands is worthile. If you can get it down to 4 contenders you are only about a 4/1 dog. Even if you get more callers, youre probably done if you lose anyway, so maximize the return on this shot. |
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Maybe I\'m too tight ...
... but - I never play 72s. No limping. No open-raising.
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Re: Help settle this debate!
I would fold. If I've gotten rags for three hours, I'm to the point where I believe that the cards are about to run me over. I'll wait for them instead of a hand that won't dominate any of the callers.
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