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#1
12-02-2005, 07:04 PM
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Flush Draw Out of Position
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PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. 3 folds, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls. Flop: (7.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets , Hero calls. Turn: (4.70 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players) Hero checks, CO bets , Hero calls. River: (6.70 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players) Hero .... I was considering a bet at the end; how often do you think that would work? Would anyone c/r the flop and bet the turn here? 
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#3
12-02-2005, 07:27 PM
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Re: Flush Draw Out of Position
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I would usually check-raise the flop and bet the turn. Given that you didn't, check-fold the river. [/ QUOTE ] That would be one of the 2 lines I would normally take. But how often am I getting 3-bet pre-flop by overcards and how does he have an over pair?
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#4
12-02-2005, 07:31 PM
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Re: Flush Draw Out of Position
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I would usually check-raise the flop and bet the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Are you doing this trying to get him to fold? If so, how often does this type of semibluff work against a 5/10 unknown?
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#5
12-02-2005, 07:45 PM
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Re: Flush Draw Out of Position
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[ QUOTE ] I would usually check-raise the flop and bet the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Are you doing this trying to get him to fold? If so, how often does this type of semibluff work against a 5/10 unknown? [/ QUOTE ] Often enough at 3/6. I'm new at 5-10 but hoping same principles apply.
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#6
12-02-2005, 07:52 PM
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Re: Flush Draw Out of Position
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would usually check-raise the flop and bet the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Are you doing this trying to get him to fold? If so, how often does this type of semibluff work against a 5/10 unknown? [/ QUOTE ] Often enough at 3/6. I'm new at 5-10 but hoping same principles apply. [/ QUOTE ] Often enough at 5-10 aswell.
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#7
12-02-2005, 08:09 PM
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Re: Flush Draw Out of Position
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would usually check-raise the flop and bet the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Are you doing this trying to get him to fold? If so, how often does this type of semibluff work against a 5/10 unknown? [/ QUOTE ] Often enough at 3/6. I'm new at 5-10 but hoping same principles apply. [/ QUOTE ] Often enough at 5-10 aswell. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for the responces. (I'm assuming the answer to my initial question was yes -- that is obviously the implication.) I should try to incorporate this line too against my more aggressive (better) 2/4 and 3/6 opponents. I usually employ a check call line until I hit, where I often check raise. I guess I'm so used to facing the calling stations that I don't bother with lines like this (which would just be spewage).
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#8
12-02-2005, 09:10 PM
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Re: Flush Draw Out of Position
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Are you doing this trying to get him to fold? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah. Check-raising the flop costs you very little. For example, even if you run into Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], you have 12 outs twice (plus some remote backdoor straights), so putting in extra money on the flop doesn't hurt you much even if you get three-bet. You were going to check-call the turn anyway, so it is better to bet yourself since a lot of people aren't going to raise you there and you have some folding equity. [ QUOTE ] If so, how often does this type of semibluff work against a 5/10 unknown? [/ QUOTE ] Dunno, I haven't played 5/10 full in a long time.
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#10
12-02-2005, 07:42 PM
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Re: Flush Draw Out of Position
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A big ace will call you here like 99.9% of the time. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly what I am looking for.
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