$33 - AK with an ugly board

splashpot · #1 11-29-2005, 08:54 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t765)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t865)
MP2 (t785)
MP3 (t840)
CO (t790)
Button (t770)
SB (t785)
Hero (t800)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls t15, 3 folds, CO calls t15, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises to t80, UTG+2 calls t65, CO folds, SB calls t65.

Flop: (t255) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t250, UTG+2 calls t250, SB folds.

Turn: (t755) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ???

tigerite · #2 11-29-2005, 08:57 AM

Check. Hopefully he checks behind, if not, well, you're getting your stack in.

But if you bet the turn, you are only removing the chance of him making a mistake when he has TT, a lower K or whatever. Cos, let's be honest, he'll fold those.

splashpot · #3 11-29-2005, 09:16 AM

I guess the question is this - Is inducing a bluff from a worse hand more important than driving out draws?

If I'm going to call an all in from him anyways, the only reason to check would be to induce a bluff from a worse hand or get a free showdown. Betting drives out flush or straight draws. Which is more important?

tigerite · #4 11-29-2005, 10:40 AM

You have a straight draw yourself. Any other straight draw just hit. So no point in driving that out. I'll take the chance on the flush one, I think.

pineapple888 · #5 11-29-2005, 03:06 PM

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Check. Hopefully he checks behind, if not, well, you're getting your stack in.

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Check/fold. What exactly are you beating here that called a raise preflop and called a bet on the flop?

Scuba Chuck · #6 11-29-2005, 03:16 PM

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Check/fold. What exactly are you beating here that called a raise preflop and called a bet on the flop?

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You're beating KJ, KT, TT. You're tied with AK. I agree that this is a WA/WB situation. And checking on the river is the only good/profitable move.

splashpot · #7 11-29-2005, 01:09 PM

Turn: (t755) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks

River: (t755) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, UTG+2 is all in (470), Hero??

So you call his all in on the river?

junkmail3 · #8 11-29-2005, 01:17 PM

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If I'm going to call an all in from him anyways, the only reason to check would be to induce a bluff from a worse hand or get a free showdown. Betting drives out flush or straight draws. Which is more important?

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River: (t755) BLANK
Hero checks, UTG+2 is all in (470), Hero??

So you call his all in on the river?

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Isn't that why you checked the turn?

splashpot · #9 11-29-2005, 01:19 PM

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If I'm going to call an all in from him anyways, the only reason to check would be to induce a bluff from a worse hand or get a free showdown. Betting drives out flush or straight draws. Which is more important?

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River: (t755) BLANK
Hero checks, UTG+2 is all in (470), Hero??

So you call his all in on the river?

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Isn't that why you checked the turn?

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Folding is still possible.

junkmail3 · #10 11-29-2005, 01:20 PM

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If I'm going to call an all in from him anyways, the only reason to check would be to induce a bluff from a worse hand or get a free showdown. Betting drives out flush or straight draws. Which is more important?

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River: (t755) BLANK
Hero checks, UTG+2 is all in (470), Hero??

So you call his all in on the river?

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Isn't that why you checked the turn?

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Folding is still possible.

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Then why check the turn to induce a bluff?