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BB Small Flush
1/2 on Empire.
Preflop: I got 7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the BB. 5 folds, 1 call, 1 more fold, SB completes, I check. Flop: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 in the middle) SB checks, I bet, late position guy calls, SB calls. Turn: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img](6 in the middle) SB checks, I bet, late position guy raises, SB calls 2 bets cold, I call. River: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img](18 in the middle) SB checks, I bet, late position guy raises, SB calls 2 cold again, I 3 bet, late position guy caps, SB calls 2 cold again, I call. I think I screwed up in a few places dont know where. Also no reads on the guys I had just sat down. |
#2
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Re: BB Small Flush
Check the flop. You need both to call your bet for you to have gained. No chance you know that will happen. You should feel sick if LP raises & SB folds. You lucked out with the heart on the turn. If it doesn't hit, what would you have done?
3-bet the turn and call a cap. As you played it, you should not 3-bet the river, IMO. |
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Re: BB Small Flush
I'd C/R the flop. If it checks through, that's okay as you are on the draw anyway. I imagine betting out has some fold equity. I still like the C/R.
I 3-bet the turn, call a cap, then call down on that river. They are calling with something, and if the limper had K9/KT you are up against a house already. With a 4th [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the river, I could see laying it down. 3-bet the turn, call a cap and C/C or Bet/call the river. |
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Re: BB Small Flush
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I'd C/R the flop. If it checks through, that's okay as you are on the draw anyway. I imagine betting out has some fold equity. I still like the C/R. I 3-bet the turn, call a cap, then call down on that river. They are calling with something, and if the limper had K9/KT you are up against a house already. With a 4th [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the river, I could see laying it down. 3-bet the turn, call a cap and C/C or Bet/call the river. [/ QUOTE ] Now this line I like, makes more sense than my, ill just bet whenever I feel like it method. |
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Re: BB Small Flush
I think a flop check/raise is bad unless the bet comes from the LP & the SB calls AND they both will call your raise. Even when the stars align, the EV is thin. I think you need more than the probable flush outs to be check raising this one.
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Re: BB Small Flush
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I think a flop check/raise is bad unless the bet comes from the LP & the SB calls AND they both will call your raise. Even when the stars align, the EV is thin. I think you need more than the probable flush outs to be check raising this one. [/ QUOTE ] Ok so check call is the way to go? Everyone has recommended checking so far. The reason I bet out was because only me and 2 others were in the hand, and one was the small blind, so I figured its worth taking a shot at stealing. Is this thinking flawed? |
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Re: BB Small Flush
You have about 35% equity at this point (chance of winning the showdown) .. or about 2 to 1 against. Thus, for every chip you put in on this round, you need your opponents to match that by at least a 2 to 1 ratio in order to profit. By betting first into 2 opponents, you are in no way going to get that on average. In fact, the maximum ratio you can achieve with 2 opponents is 2 to 1. You nead at least that.
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Re: BB Small Flush
No, it isn't flawed. The pot is tiny, and as I said in my first post, I'm sure your bet on the flop would have some fold equity because of the tiny pot. Does a guy who limped AJ and facing a BB bet want to continue to 3 outs plus a BDSD?
Generally speaking, you do want to push your flush draws when you have more than one other caller. At least on the small streets. With a couple more limpers in the pot, and no pre-flop aggressor, I'd definitely bet out hoping everyone calls or I get a chance to 3-bet. The EV stems from your flush is roughly 35% to come in and you are putting in 33% of the money. You gain 2%. That is 3-handed. If it's 5-handed, you are putting in 20% on a 35% draw, thus gaining 15% on your investment. (All results long-run, over time of course) Thus I like the bet out against 4+ players with no preflop AGG, and a C/R against only 2 others. And I'm not all that sad when it gets checked through and I get to see the turn for free. |
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Re: BB Small Flush
Where else is the bet going to come from, the SB has already checked. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] If the SB calls the limpers bet, then I'd C/R for sure.
If the SB folds, it'd be a bit closer, but a C/R flop, Bet out on the turn, even unimproved, against one player NOT holding the K will most likely take down the pot. |
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Re: BB Small Flush
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If the SB folds, it'd be a bit closer, but a C/R flop, Bet out on the turn, even unimproved, against one player NOT holding the K will most likely take down the pot. [/ QUOTE ] That's a lot to hope for without a read that the limper will bet without any piece of the board (or a draw that dominates yours), right? See my post above. |
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