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Set o\' Eights
MP is loose pre-flop (and fairly passive) and very passive post-flop. Comments are appreciated.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. Flop: (8 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, MP calls, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls. Turn: (8.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls. River: (14.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP calls. Final Pot: 16.50 BB |
#2
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Re: Set o\' Eights
I think you gotta 3-bet that turn. Only reasonable hands you are behind are 99 and QQ, and BB might well call two cold here.
The way this played out, I think leading the river is good. You get to 3bet if he has a Q, and he might check behind with AA or KK, when the board pairs, and even if a checkraise was succesfull, you could end up making the same if the river donk could elicit a weak call from BB. |
#3
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Re: Set o\' Eights
he's that passive that the turn raise means definitely 99, QQ, or JT? i suppose playing any of those hands like that is possible from him, but i can't think of any player i wouldn't 3-bet the turn against.
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Re: Set o\' Eights
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he's that passive that the turn raise means definitely 99, QQ, or JT? i suppose playing any of those hands like that is possible from him, but i can't think of any player i wouldn't 3-bet the turn against. [/ QUOTE ] I am not sure; that is the problem. A lot of players you could see playing AQ or KQ this way, but I don't see MP raising the turn with just TPTK after I have shown such strength and there is still one other player in the hand to contend with. I also see two pair holdings as fairly unlikely. Still, I felt kind of sick not re-raising the turn. |
#5
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Re: Set o\' Eights
the only possible reason i'm not rerasising the turn is to keep the other guy in, certainly not because i think i'm beat.
Given that, i'm raising the turn. Given how it played out, i like the river check-raise |
#6
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Re: Set o\' Eights
I just checkraise the river. He's showing a lot of strength here on the turn, and 3x gaybets get everybody nervous.
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#7
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Re: Set o\' Eights
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I just checkraise the river. He's showing a lot of strength here on the turn, and 3x gaybets get everybody nervous. [/ QUOTE ] I totally don't understand why anyone would checkraise the river here given the turn action. Why shut out the BB from calling one bet the first time around? If you checkraise BB mostly folds and MP might 3-bet (in which case you probably lose, BTW.) If you lead out BB calls with made hands that he probably would fold with for two cold on the river and MP calls or raises, in which case you 3-bet and BB either calls or folds and MP calls (you win) or caps (you probably lose.) I see way more bets going in when you're ahead by leading out than by checkraisisng this river given how you played the turn. EDIT: Not to mention the chance that BB was drawing and MP, being passive, checks the river with his overpair or straight. |
#8
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Re: Set o\' Eights
I love a river check raise here. MP is representing a straight, so no way he is checking through. If he JUST as a queen, he's going to bet as well.
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#9
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Re: Set o\' Eights
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I love a river check raise here. MP is representing a straight, so no way he is checking through. If he JUST as a queen, he's going to bet as well. [/ QUOTE ] The thought of the sexy certainly went through my mind and I think that is what I probably should have done. I was of course worried about it getting checked through. But if villain does have the straight that I was worried about, he should not necessarily be too concerned by the board pairing given the way I played the turn. |
#10
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Re: Set o\' Eights
i don't think there is anything wrong with betting out, the river check raise is easily overused. I like it here, but betting out certainly isn't "bad".
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