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Old 11-22-2005, 08:16 PM
avisco01 avisco01 is offline
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Default Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

Did I play this incorrectly? Would anyone have played this differently? Table was toward the tight side, no particular reads on opponents:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (12 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

Cap that chit on the turn and look to put in 1-2 bets on the river. On the flop 3-betting is also an option although it would be better with a loose passive read on the blinds.
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:42 PM
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Default Re: Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

Would folding the flop ever be correct in this situation? I do have to call two bets, but I have just too many outs right?
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:46 PM
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Default Re: Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

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Would folding the flop ever be correct in this situation?

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no. Even if bb flips over 99 you still should call.

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I do have to call two bets, but I have just too many outs right?

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yes.


It sounds like you lost to T9 or some other full house, but don't worry you played the hand fine. If anything not enough bets went in.
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Old 11-22-2005, 11:30 PM
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Default Re: Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

Call it dumb luck, I get into these situations a lot, as I'm sure most of you do as well. Needless to say, I did lose to a full house, T6 for what its worth... I just hate getting into these "surface" profitable situations and being outdone by a ridiculous holding. I knew he had a T, and believe it or not, call it what you will, I pretty much knew I was drawing to my straight flush outs ONLY to the river (just had a feeling he had the boat, can't explain it). I contemplated 3-betting the flop for all the reasons already mentioned, but I decided not to as I already had to call two cold. I guess that doesn't matter, and 3-betting is standard here. One other question, I called with this hand UTG, which I figured was fine, do any of you fold this hand from early position, especially UTG?
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Old 11-22-2005, 11:40 PM
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Default Re: Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

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One other question, I called with this hand UTG, which I figured was fine, do any of you fold this hand from early position, especially UTG?

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You have to shoot me to get me to fold that hand PF. I've just started raising this hand EP in tighter games. I don't have much of a sample for results yet. I will in a couple months.
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Old 11-23-2005, 01:02 AM
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Default Re: Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

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Would folding the flop ever be correct in this situation?

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!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Only if all of your opponents showed you their cards and you were somehow drawing stone dead.

But no, your equity is way too high even if you are behing to a set.... and you probably aren't folding the turn either.
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:32 PM
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Default Re: Flush + open ended straight draw on flop

I'd three-bet the flop. You only lose button a small portion of the time when he'd call for two but fold for three, and besides doing so occassionally buys you a free card, if desired, and may occassionally permit you to win when you hit a Q or J but miss your draws. Same thing for a 3-bet folding out the bettor, as will happen on occassion. But mostly just for equity's sake.

Rest looks fine, once the flush gets there and the board pairs, BB has no fear. Maybe another bet should go in, in which case I favor capping the turn and calling a river bet or betting yourself, instead of raising the river since you open yourself to a three bet and get another bet out of trips tens no [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] that might fold the river if a 4th club hits. Small concern though.
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:45 PM
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What the [censored]?
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Old 11-22-2005, 08:48 PM
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id fold to a 3 bet on the turn. you are facing a serious full house which you are drawing dead to. why do you think he raised the flop&gt;?
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