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11-22-2005, 12:43 AM
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Going overboard with implied odds?
Villian is at a bit below average. He has $90 and I cover.
0.50/$1 NLHE 7-handed Preflop: Hero is MP with 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero calls $1, CO calls $1, 2 folds, Villian checks. Flop: ($4) T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (4 players)</font> Check, check, check, check. Turn: ($4) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (4 players)</font> Villian bets $7.50, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $7.50... 
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#2
11-22-2005, 12:48 AM
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Re: Going overboard with implied odds?
Probably not, you'll only need to get about a pot-sized bet + 1/2 on the river to make this profitable, which is reasonable if he has the A-high flush.
However, most of the time he WON'T have the A-high flush, which is why I'd actually recommend raising the turn.
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#3
11-22-2005, 12:53 AM
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Re: Going overboard with implied odds?
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Probably not, you'll only need to get about a pot-sized bet + 1/2 on the river to make this profitable, which is reasonable if he has the A-high flush. However, most of the time he WON'T have the A-high flush, which is why I'd actually recommend raising the turn. [/ QUOTE ] The downside to raising would be that he might reraise with the A(not giving you odds), and otherwise (with lower flushes) probably not put any more in if you improve on the river. I'm not sure what I'd do here, probably call and pray
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#4
11-22-2005, 01:14 AM
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Re: Going overboard with implied odds?
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The downside to raising would be that he might reraise with the A(not giving you odds).... [/ QUOTE ] Plus, I have CO left to act behind me, and he might raise my raise with the Ace and then all my odds would be gone.
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#7
11-22-2005, 02:15 AM
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Re: Going overboard with implied odds?
Raising the turn is truly not worth it unless you are sadly vs weak Clubs who may lay it down. Raising is just overplaying a hand in a spot where you're knowingly way behind.
It'd be just as retarded as *calling* in with the hand.
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#8
11-22-2005, 01:33 AM
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Re: Going overboard with implied odds?
Have you guys lost your minds? You need to extract a ton on the river just to BREAK EVEN. This talk of raising the turn is sheer lunacy. Getting tons of money in the pot on the turn with a draw is chip spewing in the extreme. Barring some insane read that my hand may actually be good on the turn, it's an easy fold.
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#9
11-22-2005, 01:42 AM
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Re: Going overboard with implied odds?
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Turn: ($4) 5 (4 players) Villian bets $7.50, [/ QUOTE ] 1) This looks a helluva lot more like a "I don't want you in my pot anymore" bet than a "pay me off" bet 2) You're about 4:1 to boat up being given about 1.5:1 immediate odds, if you collect even 1.5xPot on the river (like i said originally) you show a profit. This is definately not unreasonable to assume if he holds an A. However, he appears more scared than confident, so I am guessing the FE is pretty darn high.
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#10
11-22-2005, 01:51 AM
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Re: Going overboard with implied odds?
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This looks a helluva lot more like a "I don't want you in my pot anymore" bet than a "pay me off" bet [/ QUOTE ] His overbet would be an interesting play with like the J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Pushing out the K and Q with his obvious Ace. He's not smart enough for that. (And that play had never occurred to me until now, so I guess I'm not that smart either lol). He is leading into 3 people. I'm probably 70% sure he has the ace.
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