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Raise this turn? Don\'t raise the river?
MP2 is like 40/17/1.5. I've chatted with him and believe he's probably much more experienced and a better postflop player than I am. He may be a routinely higher-stakes player screwing around at the penny tables.
PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls. Flop: (12.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls. Turn: (10.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls. River: (14.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 20.25 BB |
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Re: Raise this turn? Don\'t raise the river?
I'm calling the turn, and if I'm choosing a street to raise it's the turn, there's no reason to wait until the river.
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Re: Raise this turn? Don\'t raise the river?
Call down expecting to be beat by a straight or 2 pair. If the pot is raised at any time, fold.
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Re: Raise this turn? Don\'t raise the river?
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Call down expecting to be beat by a straight or 2 pair. If the pot is raised at any time, fold. [/ QUOTE ] What 2pair do you think is raising preflop? 9Ts,89s,T8s (not sure I'd raise preflop unless table was extremely loose) KTs may be a PFraise. Two pair just seems unlikely to me but I agree straight is very possible. I think we are going to see 3 of a kind |
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Re: Raise this turn? Don\'t raise the river?
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[ QUOTE ] Call down expecting to be beat by a straight or 2 pair. If the pot is raised at any time, fold. [/ QUOTE ] What 2pair do you think is raising preflop? 9Ts,89s,T8s (not sure I'd raise preflop unless table was extremely loose) KTs may be a PFraise. Two pair just seems unlikely to me but I agree straight is very possible. I think we are going to see 3 of a kind [/ QUOTE ] I was just saying you should expect to be beaten. With villain stats, yeah any of those are possible. |
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Re: Raise this turn? Don\'t raise the river?
grunch
[ QUOTE ] Turn: (10.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls. River: (14.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 20.25 BB [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]????? why didn't you raise the turn?? you have to protect your hand out there with that board. river plays very differently if you raise the turn. Baed on your turn play river play is fine. |
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Re: Raise this turn? Don\'t raise the river?
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Baed on your turn play river play is fine. [/ QUOTE ] Hero is uber-spewing on the river with his one pair call turn call river (I punch my desk doing both) I might even make the hellmuthian laydown on the turn [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] edit: I don't actually - we still have outs against 2 pair tough hand |
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Re: Raise this turn? Don\'t raise the river?
"why didn't you raise the turn?? you have to protect your hand out there with that board." Uhh, cause you're most likely behind? "Based on your turn play river play is fine." IMO, it's spewing. |
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Re: Raise this turn? Don\'t raise the river?
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"why didn't you raise the turn?? you have to protect your hand out there with that board." Uhh, cause you're most likely behind? "Based on your turn play river play is fine." IMO, it's spewing. [/ QUOTE ] Even though you may be behind to one person I think the raise has some value on the turn. 1)Raising on Turn may fold out the other two hands that could be drawing to trips or random straight draw (unlikely straight draw folds) 2)Raising on turn may get you in a free card situation on the river. 3)You may be ahead By calling the turn you don't improve your chances of winning. At least raising may force others out of the hand giving you improved odds to win. |
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2)Raising on turn may get you in a free card situation on the river. [/ QUOTE ] You have a significant misunderstanding of the term 'free card'. What you mean is 'free showdown', and this hand is not the place to try for one. |
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