Kanter? woopdeedoooo!

Prior to watching the ESPN coverage of the 2005 WSOP I was wondering what all the hype was about this Kanter guy. Now that I have seen most of the coverage (yes, I know they only show a tiny fraction of the hands played.. blah blah) I'm wondering even more.

Can you say "suck out king"? Sure you can. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

The industry just seems too eager to find the next exploitable, barely-legal personality, to attract more college kids to the game.

Suckout king for sure. Atrocious.

I agree. Him calling off all his chips just on a draw against Raymer was ridiculous. And yes, to win the WSOP, you need to get lucky, but its usually when you walk into an overpair or something like that, not calling off your chips with way the worst of it.

[Kaeser]

Actually there was nothing terrible with Kanter's call. I believe Greg bet something like 300K on the Turn and Kanter raised to 900K before Greg went all-in. I can't find the exact stack sizes but at that point he was correct in calling for the flush draw.

[duma]

the way he called was just a donkish play. he insta called really just on a draw he didnt even have time to see how much Raymer was actually raising. this coupled with all the other suck outs and bad beats we saw him give tells me he wasnt playing very good poker he was just the luckiest POS alive.

[Kaeser]

Well like I said I haven't seen the guy's play but in this hand I really don't see anything wrong with his call. He had 3.8 million after winning so we can say he had about 1.7 before the hand. He'd already put in about 300K before the turn so after putting in another 900K there's no way he can fold.

Also he didn't need to see how much Raymer raised. Since Greg had him covered any raise would put him all-in. Although since his raise committed him to calling he should probably have pushed the turn anyways.

[2+2 wannabe]

this has been discussed so much already

his call of raymer's all-in is close - definitely borderline either way but probably +EV

however, his raise of raymer on the turn is terrible and he deserved to be out

[Beavis68]

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the way he called was just a donkish play. he insta called really just on a draw he didnt even have time to see how much Raymer was actually raising. this coupled with all the other suck outs and bad beats we saw him give tells me he wasnt playing very good poker he was just the luckiest POS alive.

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It put him all-in, he knew how much he had left.


He thought raymer was weak and made a play for the pot and caught lucky, it happens all the time in poker.

[primetime32]

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the way he called was just a donkish play. he insta called really just on a draw he didnt even have time to see how much Raymer was actually raising.

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well, i would bet that he knew exactly what raymer had before he raised and raised enough to realize that if raymer put him all in that he would be sufficiently committed to the pot where he would have to call. That is why he didnt need to think for 10 minutes like some lesser players would do. He decided before he made that raise, that he was willing to take this hand to the river if raymer didnt fold.

Sometimes you make decisions before the other player acts. This doesnt make him a donk, it makes a smart player who looks 2 or 3 steps ahead.

yes he got lucky against raymer, but do we forget how incredibly lucky raymer got last year? Its a part of a tournament this big.

[TomHimself]

if he had decided to insta-call raymers push then why not push allin himself. i also wouldnt be calling with Q-high with the intention of trying to take the pot away on the turn against a great player like raymer who reads players very well.
also the stacks werent deep enough to call and make a move on turn for it to be +ev