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Aces on Button, boring flop
10/20 Party 6-Handed
Hero dealt black aces on Button One limper, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, limper calls. Flop Ad Ah 3h What's your plan from here? |
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Re: Aces on Button, boring flop
Flopped quads? Slow play.
I'm no expert but I'd check/call flop, check/raise turn, bet river if it gets that far. Pretty standard play I think. |
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Re: Aces on Button, boring flop
I'm on the Button, which makes it difficult to check-raise.
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Re: Aces on Button, boring flop
Bet the flop, check the turn if called.
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Re: Aces on Button, boring flop
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Bet the flop, check the turn if called. [/ QUOTE ] I'm guessing you also didn't see that Hero has the button? Just bet flop, bet turn, bet river. Keep betting. It's 4-handed, someone will chase or have something. If not, then fine, you just get a small pot. |
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Re: Aces on Button, boring flop
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[ QUOTE ] Bet the flop, check the turn if called. [/ QUOTE ] I'm guessing you also didn't see that Hero has the button? Just bet flop, bet turn, bet river. Keep betting. It's 4-handed, someone will chase or have something. If not, then fine, you just get a small pot. [/ QUOTE ] No I saw that hero has the button. The reason my line is g00t is that: 1. Hero raised preflop so the flop bet is expected; the absense of a flop bet will smell like a slowplay. 2. A bet on the flop allows somebody to take a shot at the pot by checkraising you or the field. If checkraised, obviously do not reraise. You have position, so you smooth call any checkraise and let the OOP bluffer keep firing. 3. If nobody fires at the pot OOP, betting the turn is a mistake. The reason is that, of course, the deck is crippled by the flop. The only hands that conceivably like that flop are 33, a pocket pair, and a heart draw. The downside to checking the turn is that if somebody actually has a hand like 33, you miss a ton of bets. You also miss bets if somebody is drawing at hearts. However, this is pretty infrequent, and checking the turn allows somebody to put you on a bluff, and take a shot at the river. Pocket pairs will also be suspicious of your river bet and they will look you up. Finally, checking the turn lets somebody fill a heart or str8 gutshot draw. 4. This is a small pot. Perfect for slowplay. Had the pot been larger, then it would be an obvious value bet on the turn, since nobody with a large pocket pair easily folds. But there are only 4-6 BBs in the pot on the turn (depending on how many people call your flop bet). |
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Re: Aces on Button, boring flop
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[ QUOTE ] Bet the flop, check the turn if called. [/ QUOTE ] I'm guessing you also didn't see that Hero has the button? Just bet flop, bet turn, bet river. Keep betting. It's 4-handed, someone will chase or have something. If not, then fine, you just get a small pot. [/ QUOTE ]yes, with 2 aces on the board 99% of opponents are calling down with a pp. why would you want to miss a bet. |
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Re: Aces on Button, boring flop
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with 2 aces on the board 99% of opponents are calling down with a pp. why would you want to miss a bet. [/ QUOTE ] 1. I dont think this is true when you were the preflop raiser, and you bet the flop. 2. Even if you get a bet on the turn when you bet, you'll lose the bet on the river because a good number of these 10/20 opponents who limped with small pairs will check-fold on the river, particularly when the turn puts out another overcard to their pair (22, 44-66). Now if you check the turn, your more aggressive opponents with pocket pairs are going to bet out on a non-broadway river, and your more passive opponents are going to look you up out of curiousity given your turn check. So by checking the turn, you make as much as betting the turn, plus you get the opportunity to raise a bluff on the river, and you give another chance for somebody to make a second best hand. |
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Re: Aces on Button, boring flop
first off, if you dont bet the flop, you might as well anounce to the table that you have at least one A...
so a flop bet is a given. as for the rest of the hand it is dependant on the flpp actaion, as well as the players involved. cant really say much more than that with the info you have provided, apart from expanding a tree of possible outcome which i dont feel much like doing. |
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Re: Aces on Button, boring flop
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first off, if you dont bet the flop, you might as well anounce to the table that you have at least one A... [/ QUOTE ] I am aggressive short-handed, but I do not always fire continuation bets. If I were to have a hand like KJ or KQ here, I would check the flop and fold to any bets on following streets. Therefore, I don't think checking the flop necessarily means I have an ace. |
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