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Any questionable spots?
Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks. Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls. Turn: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls. River: (9 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks... 15/30 is a solidly laggy game in general and this particular table was no exception. UTG was 70/10 and CO was 40/25 and a pain. How does it look? Krishan |
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Re: Any questionable spots?
Hey Krishan,
I don't like the flop bet much. It appears given your opponent's loose tendencies / hand ranges and the texture of the board that you won't have much FE. I'd c/c the flop. I'd also bet the river. Our relative positon to CO is relatively poor, and we shouldn't really worry about KQ b/c of no pfr... were you concerned that a donk would fold players? This river looks like it could definitely make 2pair / 1pair hands that will call your bet, or possibly raise so you can bet-3bet. Surf |
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Re: Any questionable spots?
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I don't like the flop bet much. It appears given your opponent's loose tendencies / hand ranges and the texture of the board that you won't have much FE. I'd c/c the flop. I'd also bet the river. Our relative positon to CO is relatively poor, and we shouldn't really worry about KQ b/c of no pfr... were you concerned that a donk would fold players? This river looks like it could definitely make 2pair / 1pair hands that will call your bet, or possibly raise so you can bet-3bet. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly |
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Re: Any questionable spots?
surf,
does the double gutter make it a little more forgiveable, or does the flush draw plus potential of making the ass end devalue the "OESD" too much for you regardless? I agree that this would be a godawful board to semibluff at, in the event we did hold a gutshot |
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making the ass end devalue ? [/ QUOTE ] Ass end is pretty clean since KQ is a 3-betting hand in this game. I probably should discount a little for K8. KRishan |
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Re: Any questionable spots?
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surf, does the double gutter make it a little more forgiveable, or does the flush draw plus potential of making the ass end devalue the "OESD" too much for you regardless? I agree that this would be a godawful board to semibluff at, in the event we did hold a gutshot [/ QUOTE ] Hey Tstone, Without the double gutter this is a horrendous flop bet. Given that these guys raise preflop so frequently we can lower their hand ranges considerably when they each opt to check or call instead of raise...this board will connect with at least one (and many times more than one) of our opponents. We will take this pot down on the flop a very, very small amount of the time. Additionally, leading out allows our LAGy opponents to shut out the remaining players with a 1pair hand that we are in very poor shape against HU. We have a weak, 6-8 out draw (closer to 6 than 8). Our equity isn't so good, but with this LAGy lineup we can expect 1 bet to go in on the flop if we check since someone will take a shot at it. I think the river is much worse though, we really want to be trying to bet-3bet this hand to trap as many as possible for 1 and make the most the times when our LAGy aggressor has 2pair+. Surf |
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I think the river is much worse though, we really want to be trying to bet-3bet this hand to trap as many as possible for 1 and make the most the times when our LAGy aggressor has 2pair+. Surf [/ QUOTE ] FWIW I bet the river here as well, though I'm not quite as optimistic about the likelihood of two pair raising the river on a 9TJ board vs a donkbet. (But it will certainly happen some of the time.) |
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It appears given your opponent's loose tendencies / hand ranges and the texture of the board that you won't have much FE. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I have no fold equity. I was just trying to build a pot that I think I had good equity in. The 2 flush really makes that plan unattractive though and I think it was a bad play. Krishan |
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Re: Any questionable spots?
I don't like the flop or the river. On the flop I know you are double gutted but I don't think this is a good spot for the semibluff. Everyone and their mother probably connected with this flop in some way and in a laggy game like this one you're gonna get raised a lot. The bad thing is you will often be raised by an early position player which is no good. Also better straight draws and possible flush draws reduce your equity. I would check the flop.
On the river I would bet to trap UTG and make sure CO doesn't check through. The T is a scary card for someone holding like J8 or something like that and even players with those stats suck at river value bets. If he is laggy it gives you the chance to 3bet as well. |
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On the river I would bet to trap UTG and make sure CO doesn't check through. The T is a scary card for someone holding like J8 or something like that and even players with those stats suck at river value bets. If he is laggy it gives you the chance to 3bet as well. [/ QUOTE ] I guess you are right. I figured my hand was good near 100%. I also thought that UTG would probably not call a lead without a pretty good hand. I don't think he would call closing the action without something either. I thought that Villian would bet most his holdings so I thought my best chance for a 2 bet river was to cr and not worry about losing UTG. Normally I lead this river to trap. I think my normal play is correct. Krishan |
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