Why all the hostility to Tiffany Williamson?

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attempted strategy post on Tiffany Williams on WPT forum
I made the mistake of trying to post strategy on the WPT forum. I should have posted this on the MTT forum where I usually post.

Lots of responses as to how she is a moron etc. Probably from people who could never make the 2nd table at the WSOP no matter how lucky they got, much less graduate from Columbia Law School.

I was wondering why so much hostility. Maybe partly because she was portrayed as a bitch and an idiot in the TV coverage. Also, maybe people who have not been successful at poker or life resent someone who apparently got very lucky. I think accusation of racism are way overdone these days, but I wonder if people resent success from a black woman.

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I think the hostility is directed towards players who take FOREVER to play their awful cards and make awful plays. Race and gender have zero to do with it, Tiffany is just the new face of being a bad player who kills a card game.

She was widely covered in the press as being slow to make decisions. That's fact.

And yeah, I think its great that a donk got lucky and made it that far in the tournament. If poker didn't have an element of luck, most of these donators wouldn't play the game.

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I think the hostility is directed towards players who take FOREVER to play their awful cards and make awful plays. Race and gender have zero to do with it, Tiffany is just the new face of being a bad player who kills a card game.

She was widely covered in the press as being slow to make decisions. That's fact.



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I might ALSO ask, if people were sooo upset with her taking sooo long, why NO ONE is blaming the table she was playing at, hmm?

I mean ANYONE at that table, can call a clock on someone at ANY time. If they didn't do so, then it is THEIR fault, and kudo's to Tiffany, for taking advantage of THEM not calling the clock on her! I mean after all, isn't it part of poker to use EVERY advantage your opponent gives to you, and use it AGAINST THEM, hmmm?

Thus if people are ticked off because she took too long to make a decision, then the table she was playing on at the time, SHOULD be held in EQUAL blame for NOT calling a clock on her (sooner).

I think, especially given the fact, that Tiffany played poker for LESS than a year when she played in the WSOP main event, that she did pretty damm good if you ask me.

Plus, to even GET there, she had to win at least TWO OTHER tournements to get her seat in the main event.

How many players do YOU all know, who played for less than a year, against over 5600 players in the Main WSOP Main event, made it as far as Tiffany did, hmm?

If there were any, I don't see ANYONE bitching about THEM or THEIR play in the WSOP Main event!

Tiffany, you did pretty damm good if you ask me, and there are MANY of us, who are proud of you and your accomplishment! I look forward to playing with/against you someday! (insert thumbs up smiley here)

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I look forward to playing with/against you someday! (insert thumbs up smiley here)

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So do most of the posters on this board [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

BTW - The reason no one called for a clock is becuase it was obvious to everyone else at the table that her opponent had a monster. It was also apparent that she was totally out of her league. I think letting her stew and overthink all her decisions was the right play. Another factor is the small chance that it might put the pro who went all-in (drawing a blank here) on tilt, which would benefit the other pros at the table.

I would be very interested in hearing Fossilman's opinion on this.

I heard that Fossilman is a poster here, is that true? If he is, when was the last time he posted?

Not being facitious here, just curious is all, since a few people have mentioned him here.

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I heard that Fossilman is a poster here, is that true? If he is, when was the last time he posted?

Not being facitious here, just curious is all, since a few people have mentioned him here.

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Greg is a longtime poster here, dating well before his win in last year's Main Event. Do a user search, especially in the MTT forum for "Greg (Fossilman)". His posting rate obviously went down after his title win, but he still comes around now and then.

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I heard that Fossilman is a poster here, is that true? If he is, when was the last time he posted?

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Yesterday

[SpaceAce]

Lord, this is a fantastically asinine post. Tiffany Williamson takes twelve minutes to make every little decision, slowing the game to a crawl, and it's the fault of everyone at the table except Tiffany Williamson. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were sleepy when you made this post.

She played poorly, she got lucky, she's an annoying time-waster. Good for her that she got so far. Good for poker that she got so far. I just hope she doesn't end up at my table.

SpaceAce

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I just hope she doesn't end up at my table.

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I want her and 8 other Williamsons at my cash game. I'll listen to my ipod and count my mountain of chips while they vacillate over whether their Q9o is good. Dude, she just added three years to the current poker boom.

BTW --The rest of your post is spot on.

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I just hope she doesn't end up at my table.

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I want her and 8 other Williamsons at my cash game.

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Eh, I guess you're right. Still, just like you sometimes have to balance profit and variance, I may have to come down on the side of my own mental health. If she's anything like she seemed on TV, she'd drive me batty very rapidly.

SpaceAce