Is there value to raising river? 400 nl

[Chaostracize]

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($116)
MP ($352.30)
CO ($203)
Button ($572.40)
SB ($430.90)
Hero ($390)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, SB calls $12.

Flop: ($32) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, SB calls $30.

Turn: ($92) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $90</font>, SB calls $60.

River: ($272) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $90</font>, Hero calls $90.

Final Pot: $452

I'm kind of torn on this. If it were on the spot, before I've(now) thought about it, I'd raise, not sure how much, but after some thought.....villain has bet ~1/3 pot on turn and river, which to me looks weak, however, could be trying to trap you, and if he is just trying to buy it, he'll lay down to a raise, so I think your call on the river was the best move.

[Dominic]

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I'm kind of torn on this. If it were on the spot, before I've(now) thought about it, I'd raise, not sure how much, but after some thought.....villain has bet ~1/3 pot on turn and river, which to me looks weak, however, could be trying to trap you, and if he is just trying to buy it, he'll lay down to a raise, so I think your call on the river was the best move.

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A raise is not for value here, as he will not call with a weaker hand.

[captZEEbo1]

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I'm kind of torn on this. If it were on the spot, before I've(now) thought about it, I'd raise, not sure how much, but after some thought.....villain has bet ~1/3 pot on turn and river, which to me looks weak, however, could be trying to trap you, and if he is just trying to buy it, he'll lay down to a raise, so I think your call on the river was the best move.

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A raise is not for value here, as he will not call with a weaker hand.

[/ QUOTE ]WRONG! He likely won't call an allin with a weaker hand, but he will call a smaller raise with a weaker hand.

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I'm kind of torn on this. If it were on the spot, before I've(now) thought about it, I'd raise, not sure how much, but after some thought.....villain has bet ~1/3 pot on turn and river, which to me looks weak, however, could be trying to trap you, and if he is just trying to buy it, he'll lay down to a raise, so I think your call on the river was the best move.

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A raise is not for value here, as he will not call with a weaker hand.

[/ QUOTE ]WRONG! He likely won't call an allin with a weaker hand, but he will call a smaller raise with a weaker hand.

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what hands do you think he'd call with?

[captZEEbo1]

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I'm kind of torn on this. If it were on the spot, before I've(now) thought about it, I'd raise, not sure how much, but after some thought.....villain has bet ~1/3 pot on turn and river, which to me looks weak, however, could be trying to trap you, and if he is just trying to buy it, he'll lay down to a raise, so I think your call on the river was the best move.

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A raise is not for value here, as he will not call with a weaker hand.

[/ QUOTE ]WRONG! He likely won't call an allin with a weaker hand, but he will call a smaller raise with a weaker hand.

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what hands do you think he'd call with?

[/ QUOTE ]ANY ACE might especially two pair or 222 it's blinds yo...they'll just think you're getting out of line with KK. If you know you have best hand, why not raise? If you held 6 hi flush in this situation would you say "what hand calls a raise on the river?" You'd say "who knows? raise!" You know your hand is only beaten by an unlikely (given action) flush, so you raise, just like if you held a 6 hi flush, your hand is only beaten by a higher flush, so raise!

Edit: just one more thing to add, just because YOU wouldn't call a raise doesn't mean chumps won't call a raise. Not everyone thinks about nl cash exactly like you guys. Some think WOW I HAVE ACES UP I DON'T CARE WHAT THIS GUY CHARGES ME HE'S PROBABLY BLUFFING!!!

I remember one hand that basically went like this:

$2/4 nl
I have AQ... Q42 flop, chump check calls 2/3 pot, Q42A check calls 1/2 pot, Q42A5, guy leads for $20 into $200 pot, no [censored] way AQ is beat I make it $200 to go he calls with A5 and gets really pissed how could I raise that much with AQ on river on that board haha. Lesson: if you know you have the best hand you should raise

[ggbman]

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I'm kind of torn on this. If it were on the spot, before I've(now) thought about it, I'd raise, not sure how much, but after some thought.....villain has bet ~1/3 pot on turn and river, which to me looks weak, however, could be trying to trap you, and if he is just trying to buy it, he'll lay down to a raise, so I think your call on the river was the best move.

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A raise is not for value here, as he will not call with a weaker hand.

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Well it sure as hell isnt for folding equity, because he isn't folding a better hand. And i definitly think a lot of players pay of reasonable raises with aces up here.

[HoldEmKillah]

Looks like a block bet to me. Raise it up. Btw, why did you miniraise preflop?

[Chaostracize]

Ugh. This one was my 400 nl table. I suck. Put this on the wrong forum.

Edit: I did it on my fastplay thread, too. I'm good at clogging the forum, huh?

[xorbie]

I think he has A with a big spade or AJ. I'm sure if I raised this river he would have JJ though.