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Old 11-03-2005, 09:57 AM
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Default JJ looks good but...

SB 27%/14%/11.0 - 70 hands (can't find the call button?)
Hero 20%/6%/1.6

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PreFlop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG3 raises</font>, MP1 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG3 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls

Flop: (13 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]<font color="#0000FF"> (3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, UTG3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls

Turn: (11 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]<font color="#0000FF"> (2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls

River: (13 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]<font color="#0000FF"> (2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero ?
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:00 AM
WalkAmongUs WalkAmongUs is offline
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Default Re: JJ looks good but...

You should have reraise UTG3(?) PF before SB reraised him.

Other than that I like the flop cap. It looks like he doesn't care what you have. I'd just call down.

You have a chance of winning and I'd be interested to see what he bets so aggressively like that.

It looks like he's sporting AA, KK, or QQ though.
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:05 AM
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Default Re: JJ looks good but...

"UTG3 raises, MP1 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB raises, BB folds, UTG3 3-bets"?

Did UTG open raise or limp? Whether he did or not, why didn't hero raise?
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:12 AM
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Default Re: JJ looks good but...

*grunch*

Hey bz!

Pre-Flop: I probably would have RR'd with JJ. But in light of the raising war that followed, your call is probably ok. FWIW, with that much action pre-flop even vs. maniacs I would want the flop to hit me pretty hard. Do you have a read on UTG3?

Flop: The raise to protect is ok. I probably only would have called the 3-bet however.

Turn: Call is ok.

River: You've gone this far, you gotta call. Since no overcards have fallen does anyone recommend a raise?
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:18 AM
WalkAmongUs WalkAmongUs is offline
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Default Re: JJ looks good but...

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But in light of the raising war that followed, your call is probably ok.

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I think this might be considered results oriented. I would recommend a reraise here with JJ no matter what happens after you. Unless you are against the rock of all rocks of course.
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Old 11-03-2005, 12:39 PM
bozlax bozlax is offline
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Default Re: JJ looks good but...

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But in light of the raising war that followed, your call is probably ok.

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I think this might be considered results oriented.

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Ya think? What tipped you off?

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I would recommend a reraise here with JJ no matter what happens after you. Unless you are against the rock of all rocks of course.

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Since you don't know what's going to happen after you, how can if affect what you do? And even if UTG3 is a rock, JJ gets raised. You could be playing the Grand Canyon and 3-bet JJ.
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Old 11-03-2005, 02:17 PM
WalkAmongUs WalkAmongUs is offline
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Default Re: JJ looks good but...

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I think this might be considered results oriented.

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Ya think? What tipped you off?

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I knew this but I was making an attempt at not being sarcastic. I guess "this is results oriented dumbass" would have been more appropriate for this forum.

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Since you don't know what's going to happen after you, how can if affect what you do? And even if UTG3 is a rock, JJ gets raised. You could be playing the Grand Canyon and 3-bet JJ.

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It can't affect what you do if you don't know what will happen. My point was it doesn't matter what happens, it should have been reraised. I guess you missed it.

Also, I've seen players who play ~14%VPIP with PFR of ~5. Are you going to 3 bet them? If so you'll see AA-QQ a majority of the time. If you like this situation I guess you can reraise the Grand Canyon all you want.
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:15 AM
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Default Re: JJ looks good but...

I would have re-raised preflop. You should prefer to play this hand heads up against the original raiser, as opposed to in a multiway pot.

I would also have raised SB's flop bet, as he may have been making a continuation bet with unimproved overcards, such as AK.

However, I would have called SB's flop 3-bet as opposed to capping. SB's 3-bet suggested that he may have had an overpair to your JJ, but you had 6 outs twice to the straight or trips.

SB was unlikely to fold to your flop cap, and you were already heads up at that stage. So I would have called down after SB's flop 3-bet.

The pot was big on both the turn and river, you had an overpair that may have been the best hand, and your opponent was overly aggressive. So I would have called both the turn and river bets.
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Old 11-03-2005, 12:19 PM
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Default Re: JJ looks good but...

Definitely need to Re-Raise with JJ preflop, and I like the flop...I would probably play the hand the same as you on the turn and than I would call his river bet...what would everyone do if SB checked the river?

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Old 11-03-2005, 12:24 PM
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Default Re: JJ looks good but...

hi

you must 3-bet preflop.

i think i would call sb's 3-bet on the flop, since utg3 folded. then i'd raise the turn on a good card, like the 5 was. and call down from there.

if the read is realiable (70 hands is not much) then he's way overaggressive and you likely still have the best hand a lot of the time.
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