400nl AK line

AllIn3High · #1 10-30-2005, 03:19 PM

6-handed $400nl.

Two players limp, hero ($440) raises to $20 on the button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], villian (solid player, covers) calls in the SB, limpers call.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (Pot: $84)

Villian bets $65, folded to hero.

Villian is moderatly tricky and aggressive.
Line for the rest of hand.

#2 10-30-2005, 03:48 PM

raise without a solid read. What flop are you hoping for if not this? If you can put him on a high pp most of the time, you can flat call and raise the turn to let him throw more chips at you, but you will loose more money to a set if he has 99. What clubs do you think he is calling with here? He called the raise before the limpers call so unless he's a donk he isn't expecting to get odds to play SCs or low PPs or K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] X[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I wouldn't worry about a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the turn. Also hands that you dominate here (AQs) typically don't call raises pf without flush outs, knowing that they are probably dominated or flipping.

elus2 · #3 10-30-2005, 05:35 PM

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raise without a solid read. What flop are you hoping for if not this? If you can put him on a high pp most of the time, you can flat call and raise the turn to let him throw more chips at you, but you will loose more money to a set if he has 99. What clubs do you think he is calling with here? He called the raise before the limpers call so unless he's a donk he isn't expecting to get odds to play SCs or low PPs or K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] X[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. I wouldn't worry about a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the turn. Also hands that you dominate here (AQs) typically don't call raises pf without flush outs, knowing that they are probably dominated or flipping.

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it's a heads up pot on a 6max table. unless hero has been playing like a total nit over a long session i'd expect villain's range to easily include combo draws, oesd, flush draws, one pair hands and sets.

AllIn3High · #4 10-31-2005, 03:10 AM

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raise without a solid read.

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A solid read that what?

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What flop are you hoping for if not this?

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That doesn't mean we have to blindly put all our chips in.

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If you can put him on a high pp most of the time, you can

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This would be a very odd line for villian to take with a high pocket pair.

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What clubs do you think he is calling with here?

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suited connecters.

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He called the raise before the limpers call so unless he's a donk he isn't expecting to get odds to play SCs or low PPs or K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] X[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

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You don't think the limpers are calling the raies if Villian starts a call-fest?

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I wouldn't worry about a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] on the turn. Also hands that you dominate here (AQs) typically don't call raises pf without flush outs, knowing that they are probably dominated or flipping.

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This is 6-max, AQs figures to be the best hand a lot of the time. All hero did was raise from the button after 2 limpers, his range should be very wide here unless he's a total nit.

Allinlife · #5 10-31-2005, 03:24 AM

about the actual hand it self.

I think folding is good. solid player isn't betting into 3 players with less than 50% equity draws/ 2 pair/ sets so basically your only chance to wager money with decent edge is to push blank turn vs his 50% draws, but there's not much way to figure that out w/o committing your self at any point postflop.

it looks like even money or underdog situation so I think you should pass.

AllIn3High · #6 10-31-2005, 12:44 PM

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about the actual hand it self.

I think folding is good. solid player isn't betting into 3 players with less than 50% equity draws/ 2 pair/ sets so basically your only chance to wager money with decent edge is to push blank turn vs his 50% draws, but there's not much way to figure that out w/o committing your self at any point postflop.

it looks like even money or underdog situation so I think you should pass.

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I think this is very exploitable, why wouldn't villian lead with a flush draw/some kind of ace/air here? the limpers can't really call/raise without a very big hand with the pre flop raise left to act, they're effictivly out of the hand.

Or, maybe villian is leading with a weaker ace, testing the waters to see if it's good. Remember, hero just raised 2 limpers on the button, that doesn't mean that much preflop at 6-max.

amoeba · #7 10-30-2005, 03:52 PM

what line is he likely to take with a draw here?

is he capable of a flop 3 bet with a draw?

or is he likely going to call your raise, check raise a blank turn with both a set and a draw?

AllIn3High · #8 10-31-2005, 03:00 AM

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what line is he likely to take with a draw here?

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bet/3-bet, c/r or maybe c/c. if you could say for certain it wouldn't be that tough a decision [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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is he capable of a flop 3 bet with a draw?

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ofcourse, esp. if it's some kind of massive draw.

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or is he likely going to call your raise, check raise a blank turn with both a set and a draw?

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Unless my math is off there isn't enough money behind for villian to call a raise and c/r the turn as a bluff, so a turn c/r after calling a raise would be solely for value.

xorbie · #9 10-30-2005, 04:19 PM

If you raise I can almost gaurantee he 3-bets all in, and you are probably a slight dog. I would call here and bet the turn if checked to.

Godfather80 · #10 10-30-2005, 05:12 PM

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If you raise I can almost gaurantee he 3-bets all in, and you are probably a slight dog. I would call here and bet the turn if checked to.

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Xorbie, what hand are you putting Villain on here? And, more importantly to me, are we calling partially because Villain has already charged himself a great deal if he is drawing OOP? 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], AQs, AK, AKs, and sets would all play this way from an aggressive player, right?