5/10 J8o

Nietzsche · #1 10-26-2005, 02:13 PM

Looking for comments on all streets.

BB has tagish stats.
UTG is unknown.
Button is loose passive.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Button calls.

River: (8 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Button folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB

#2 10-26-2005, 02:18 PM

Looks good, although an argument could be made for c/cing the river.

I'm also not sure about the preflop complete. I normally do like you did, but am curious as to what others have to say.

jba · #3 10-26-2005, 02:19 PM

fold preflop! J8o is nothing but trash my friend.

I think i'm looking him up on the river. the river I think is close.

Nietzsche · #4 10-26-2005, 02:53 PM

A marginal hand indeed, one I had folded at another tighter table just a few minutes before and normally will fold. The reason I completed is the calling station on the button, 60 VPIP. Still not sure if this is +EV or not. I suppose it depends to a large extent on the preflop aggressiveness of the BB.

On the river my question is whether to valuebet or check/call (maybe a missed draw will bet), or check/fold even depending on the action.

When I bet and the tag raises in second position I think calling is out of the question.

EvanJC · #5 10-26-2005, 03:06 PM

wouldn't we have heard from an overpair or a nine before the river?

jba · #6 10-26-2005, 03:27 PM

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wouldn't we have heard from an overpair or a nine before the river?

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part of the reason I wanted to look him up, on the other hand BB has terrible relative position with us leading all of these streets, he could be (stupidly) trying to keep his customers?

Nietzsche · #7 10-26-2005, 04:01 PM

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wouldn't we have heard from an overpair or a nine before the river?

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part of the reason I wanted to look him up, on the other hand BB has terrible relative position with us leading all of these streets, he could be (stupidly) trying to keep his customers?

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This is the way I read it. I just don't see a TAG having a worse hand or bluffing often enough for me to call considering there are more players left to act and me having shown strength the whole way.

ZZZ · #8 10-26-2005, 02:24 PM

I would fold preflop, but call with J9o. Not a big deal either way.

Pretty standard flop and turn, though I'd consider check raising the flop.

Easy fold on the river especially since UTG is all in at the time.

ZZZ

jba · #9 10-26-2005, 02:37 PM

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Easy fold on the river especially since UTG is all in at the time.

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I missed that and it is a very good point.

#10 10-26-2005, 02:49 PM

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Easy fold on the river especially since UTG is all in at the time.

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I missed that and it is a very good point.

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Wait, UTG is all in?? Why didn't the coverter show that when he called the turn?