I've decided to start posting again: 20-40 SH

[Eric P]

i show up at 11:15 to a house game that has been going all night. 20-40 5 handed

I'm deal K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in BB
utg FOLDS, RAISE (best and tightest player at the table), folds to me, i CALL

flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I check, he bets, i fold.

This was a read dependant play, i'm thinking that if flop comes no ace and he has a pocket pair, i get paid off (he's never seen me before, but i'm playing somewhat loose, he is playing ring game tight and talking about 'fundamentals' as a joke but is trying to prove a point to another guy at the table).

Is this ok? Obviously he is going to be the flop without an ace, but there is no pot to win and i stand to make 1.5 BB's if i play this hand an win, i stand to lose more than that if I lose, and I stand to lose much more often that i stand to win. Do other people make this play (just calling pre-flop)? If no one just calls pre-flop, pretending you did, do you also fold here?

Eric, you made a terrible play here, Even given this unfriendly flop are still a favorite to have the best hand. Postflop you should check and call all the way. Since you are up against a tight player you dont want to play back at him since you want to induce him to continue to bet all his 2 outers/total bluffs(KQ,QJ etc) So just check and call every street.

[krishanleong]

Board: Ad 6h 3s
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 43.8362 % [ 00.43 00.00 ] { AA-66, AKs-A9s, KQs-KTs, QJs, AKo-A9o, KQo-KTo, QJo }
Hand 2: 56.1638 % [ 00.56 00.00 ] { KK }

If it was purely hot/cold I'd say call down. But you will frequently win 1.5 BB and lose 2.5 BB. So maybe a fold is okay.

Krishan

[Nigel]

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But you will frequently win 3.75-4.75 BB or lose 2.5 BB

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Can't forget about the money in the pot already.

Also, given his opponent's description, it's probably better that he did not 3 bet pre-flop with this particular flop.

[BradL]

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Also, given his opponent's description, it's probably better that he did not 3 bet pre-flop with this particular flop.

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This is a very results oriented way of looking at it...

Description:

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(best and tightest player at the table)... (he's never seen me before , but i'm playing somewhat loose, he is playing ring game tight and talking about 'fundamentals' as a joke but is trying to prove a point to another guy at the table)

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He says he just showed up and has this solid a read on an opponent who he has never played with before, i dont think so. Im not trying to be a jerk but this sounds like a situation where the read was created (not necessarily intentionally) to justify a very weak play.

-Brad

[Nigel]

I agree, it is results oriented. So shoot me. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Seriously though, nothing wrong with calling HU with big hands in the BB for deception.

[BradL]

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Seriously though, nothing wrong with calling HU with big hands in the BB for deception.

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He feels his image is laggy, a 3bet shouldnt seem suspicious if he is correct about his image.

-Brad

[Eric P]

I should have posted this: I've been dealing for these guys for the past year, i know how everyone plays but they don't know how I play.

[jason_t]

I think you should get out of the habit of using PokerStove in your analyses.

[krishanleong]

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I think you should get out of the habit of using PokerStove in your analyses.

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I think you should figure out whether it's relevant to the hand first. I mean did you even read the rest of the post? Sorry if this is too abrasive.

Krishan