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#1
10-24-2005, 10:07 PM
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Dear, Would You Save Me The Last Bet?
This hand blew. Comments on my play? Anyone give up betting on seventh? Sixth?
7 Card Stud High ($30/$60), Ante $5, Bring-In $10 (converter) 3rd Street - (1.00 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 2: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds Seat 3: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds Seat 4: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___raises Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds 4th Street - (3.00 SB) Seat 4: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___calls Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___raises 5th Street - (3.50 BB) Seat 4: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets 6th Street - (5.50 BB) Seat 4: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets River - (7.50 BB) Seat 4: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___calls Hero: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets Total pot: (9.50 BB) Results in white...you know the drill. <font color="white">Results: Total pot $570 | Rake $3 Seat 4: [8h 5c 8c 9h 3d Th Js] (a pair of Eights) Hero: [6c Tc 3c Kc Ah 5d Qs] (high card Ace) </font> 
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#2
10-24-2005, 10:27 PM
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Re: Dear, Would You Save Me The Last Bet?
I think the river bet is pretty player dependent, but I like it if for anything it keeps yours opponents guessing and will probably get you more action later on.
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#3
10-24-2005, 10:52 PM
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Re: Dear, Would You Save Me The Last Bet?
I am assuming you are playing the player, once you get it heads up. If the odds were that the player is likely to fold one pair on the river, then I think the play is fine. Not all bluffs work...they only have to work 1 in 10 times to be profitable. And at this limit, you need to try this once in a while.
But, if the player is a calling station, then you should back off on 6th and definitely check the river. No reason to give the "i can't fold player" any more of your hard-earned chips.
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#4
10-24-2005, 10:56 PM
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Re: Dear, Would You Save Me The Last Bet?
After getting calle don 5th, I would become afraid since your board is so strong and your opponent calls anyway after being CRed. On 6th you rag off and he gets a card that pairs him or gives him a str8 if he wasn't ahead already. At this point I would just giv eup the bluff because your opponent is too strong. Check call 6th and then bet the river with As, Ks often (and occasionally Ts). After betting 6th the bluff on the river is okay...it can't be too wrong given the size of the pot. But, I still probably don't do it under very often because his call on 5th basically affirms that fact that he think you might just have 3s or a flush draw.
-Carlos
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#7
10-25-2005, 10:28 AM
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Re: Dear, Would You Save Me The Last Bet?
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[ QUOTE ] CHECK 6th!! [/ QUOTE ] Why? You have enough pot equity combined with fold equity to keep pushing in this situation. [/ QUOTE ] Beta, his opponent committed to calling once he called 5th. How often do you see people fold 6th. Calling is very often the correct play. He has no fold equity. The only way jeff's opponent folds sixth is if jeff catches something scary. His opponent very well could have put him on the hand Jeff has-- a 4 flush. Semi-bluffing people who are gonna call anyway is foolish.
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#8
10-25-2005, 10:41 AM
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Re: Dear, Would You Save Me The Last Bet?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] CHECK 6th!! [/ QUOTE ] Why? You have enough pot equity combined with fold equity to keep pushing in this situation. [/ QUOTE ] Beta, his opponent committed to calling once he called 5th. How often do you see people fold 6th. Calling is very often the correct play. He has no fold equity. The only way jeff's opponent folds sixth is if jeff catches something scary. His opponent very well could have put him on the hand Jeff has-- a 4 flush. Semi-bluffing people who are gonna call anyway is foolish. [/ QUOTE ] Betting 6th increase the chances of a river bluff working.
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#9
10-25-2005, 10:47 AM
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Re: Dear, Would You Save Me The Last Bet?
"Betting 6th increase the chances of a river bluff working. "
Well, it works two ways tho.. He's also made the pot bigger. Which means his opponent is more likely to call. Why not check, and bluff like 5% of the time on the river?
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#10
10-25-2005, 10:53 AM
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Re: Dear, Would You Save Me The Last Bet?
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CHECK 6th!! [/ QUOTE ] The fish is right. Once your opponent calls on fifth the party is over, Jeff. Time to check-call sixth. On the river most soild players are paying off I would assume. Your lines fine if for some strange reason you can envision your opponent being capable of mucking any pair here, I just would usually expect to be called. This is also "probable steal vs. bring-in" making it more likley in my mind that your opponent will look you up. Mike Emery
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