standard to call on flush draw after two all in callers?

#1 10-23-2005, 01:04 AM

Hero covers both.

.10/.25 Absolute

Hero has J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
PUS_KILLA - Calls $0.25
Hero - Raises $1.25 to $1.25
XMAVERICK68 - Calls $1.15
XTHEPLAYERX - Calls $1
PUS_KILLA - Calls $1

*** FLOP *** [Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
XMAVERICK68 - Checks
XTHEPLAYERX - All-In $17.40
PUS_KILLA - Calls $17.40
Hero - Calls $17.40???

Massive variance, but the odds seem about right. I'm 50/50 to hit my flush by the river.

Sephus · #2 10-23-2005, 01:30 AM

you arent 50/50 to make your flush and you can make your flush and still lose to the nut flush or a boat and you didnt include the amount flop coldcaller has left (who by the way is not unlikely to have a set). i fold.

#3 10-23-2005, 01:37 AM

Cold caller is a donk. He has $6 left.

IbrakeFORrivers · #4 10-23-2005, 02:08 AM

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you arent 50/50 to make your flush and you can make your flush and still lose to the nut flush or a boat and you didnt include the amount flop coldcaller has left (who by the way is not unlikely to have a set). i fold.

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I agree. You have 3 to 1 (approximately) odds if everyone calls. which is about right after the flop if you call and then no one bets further. But, again, you don't have the nut flush. Plus it's a small pot. Plus implied odds are slightly less if he continuation bets and you didn't hit your flush on the turn. Your odds aren't overwhelmingly in favor. In other words, you're not winning a huge amount for a huge risk, that, before this bet, wasn't that huge.
I'd fold too....

**EDIT***
hmm... i might be wrong... feel free to correct me.

hockeyf · #5 10-23-2005, 01:36 AM

I call this, the inside straight draw makes this a call.

#6 10-23-2005, 01:39 AM

Do you push for the cold callers extra $6 or wait?

#7 10-23-2005, 01:39 AM

I think it's an instant call here--even though there might be another flush draw hanging around (which isn't necessarily a nut flush) you have an overcard that at those limits could be extra outs.

edit--yeah if there's only 6 left just push it in. Not like you are folding on the turn anyway.

#8 10-23-2005, 01:44 AM

as it turns out, the donk checked it down, i missed all 15 (realistically 12+.5 for runner kings when it doesnt fill someone up) outs and saved myself $6

this is results oriented thinking but the K is possibly bad because it could be the kicker on the KQ, and also KK and AA are possible pushers here. Two pair and a set are also probably hands to call/push with.

#9 10-23-2005, 01:48 AM

you sure you didn't have the donk beat?
If he was on a draw you could have had that hand beat and thus cost yourself six bucks.

krammatrix · #10 10-23-2005, 01:49 AM

easy easy call