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Which streets are atrocious and which are just bad/so-so?
Literally the very first hand of the session, so nary a read to be found. My default play with AK here on the flop is to c/r most good flops -- 934, A73, 228
check fold the bad ones -- QJ9, 78T and check call the dangerous ones -- KQx, AQx I think most people are going to hate the flop play, but I think it rates better than the turn or river. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed) converter Button ($81) Hero ($200) BB ($102.45) UTG ($146.90) MP ($304.55) Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $7, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: ($18) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $11</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $25</font>, MP calls $14. Turn: ($68) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $50</font>, MP calls $50. River: ($168) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $117 (All-In)</font>... |
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Re: Which streets are atrocious and which are just bad/so-so?
You beat small stakes no limit by check/folding the flop.
Edit: If you want to c/c flop, c/f turn I would be supportive. I think either line is fine. Anything else is spewing, IMO. |
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Re: Which streets are atrocious and which are just bad/so-so?
i don't like it - if you decided you were taking this hand to the end, i think your flop c/r is too small.
i think the only hand that folds the river is a missed draw. |
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Re: Which streets are atrocious and which are just bad/so-so?
I have my own issues with AK, but I think you either lead with a continuation bet on the flop or check-fold as the guy above me said.
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Re: Which streets are atrocious and which are just bad/so-so?
Check calling this flop is certainly worse than check raising.
I don't have issues in not being able to beat 1/2 NL for 10PTBB+/100. I firmly believe the flop check-raise is fine. I think the turn is shut down time. Clearly the river is desperation. |
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Re: Which streets are atrocious and which are just bad/so-so?
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Check calling this flop is certainly worse than check raising. [/ QUOTE ] This is not true. They will never fold a better hand here. And you often have 6 outs here if you're not already ahead. They very rarely fire a second barrel on the turn with a worse hand. By check/raising the flop you just give them a chance to blow you off your 6 out draw and lose more when you are behind. |
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Re: Which streets are atrocious and which are just bad/so-so?
Certainly he won't fold a better hand here.
However, he will fold all the hands that I'm beating (which is many many hands). There is much to be said for this. If called, while I am admittedly behind, I am not paying too large a price for seizing the initiative in the hand. I have solid fold equity on a good turn card such as a queen, jack or diamond. And it actually gives my 6 outer some implied odds that a lame check/call would not. I won't argue that c/r is better than folding because it's close. But c/c is without question the worst of the 3 options available. All that being said, the turn card was terrible, yet I followed through on the turn anyhow. And desperation bluffed the river. Yes, the turn and river are the real problem here. |
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Re: Which streets are atrocious and which are just bad/so-so?
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This is not true. They will never fold a better hand here. And you often have 6 outs here.... [/ QUOTE ] Very true. He's not folding a pp here because all villian sees are those 4's on the board and says to himself 'he called my pfr with a 4 in his hand. No Way.' and he calls. Plus we got bluffable diamond outs if we want them. |
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Re: Which streets are atrocious and which are just bad/so-so?
c/r'ing the pfr on an ugly board can be beneficial. i dont think it is good for any of the reasons u stated though. why do u want worse hands to fold? i can see c/r'ing the pfr if i think it may get me a free card oop or give me some implied odds.
why r u so intent on trying to win this pot oop with A high? i think c/f, c/c lead, lead, c/r are the best ways to play this flop and in that order... |
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Re: Which streets are atrocious and which are just bad/so-so?
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[ QUOTE ] Check calling this flop is certainly worse than check raising. [/ QUOTE ] This is not true. They will never fold a better hand here. And you often have 6 outs here if you're not already ahead. They very rarely fire a second barrel on the turn with a worse hand. By check/raising the flop you just give them a chance to blow you off your 6 out draw and lose more when you are behind. [/ QUOTE ] |
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