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Top two on 4 flush/straight board.
Villain is 24/20/2.4 over 400
Hold'em (6 handed) Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls. Flop: (7 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (5.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (7.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls. |
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Re: Top two on 4 flush/straight board.
i dont think there is any other way to play the flop and the turn. river is the hardest street, but i also call against a player who as aggressive as he is.
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Re: Top two on 4 flush/straight board.
Betting the turn solves a lot of problems.
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Re: Top two on 4 flush/straight board.
with a 4 outter you prefer betting the turn, calling a raise and folding the river unimproved? dont you think a player as aggressive as villain will be bluffing that line more often then value you get on a bet?
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Re: Top two on 4 flush/straight board.
I fold to the turn raise. I think it's extremely rare the other dude will have any less than 2 pair here. If he has 2 pair (the only hand we're afraid of him "bluffing"), he'll be so focused on hitting his 4 outer that he won't raise in fear of a 3-bet. IMO.
edit- I've just thought about this more. I don't like my line anymore. We have to call a raise because of split outs. [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] |
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Re: Top two on 4 flush/straight board.
What about check-call, then check-fold? Is this opponent really betting w/ two pair on the river?
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Re: Top two on 4 flush/straight board.
Yeah I reckon he would bet KQ again fairly often. So, 2 bets. And I think the 2 bets are better spent bet/calling the turn and folding UI as TStone said.
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Re: Top two on 4 flush/straight board.
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What about check-call, then check-fold? Is this opponent really betting w/ two pair on the river? [/ QUOTE ] I specifically remember a post on 2+2 where people bet this river w/ 2 pair "to push people off of a 1 card baby frush". I know they were in position heads up because they weren't using Clarkmeisters theorem as their justification. If the archive search engine didn't suck so badly I would pull up the link. If their play was correct or not isn't an issue. I'm just saying I saw people post it and I remember being shocked. I'm pretty sure it was a 15/30 full game. |
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Re: Top two on 4 flush/straight board.
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Betting the turn solves a lot of problems. [/ QUOTE ] Do you want him to fold his worse hands because there are a lot of outs where you split? (any club, any T = 13 split outs) He wont have many outs to win when behind (he ll win only by making trips so he probably has 2 outs to win). If he is ahead, he will raise (maybe not with just the straight) and you have to call. Aggressive as he is, I am not sure if we can completely forget about a bluffraise. Therefore I like a check-call on the turn. On the river I think its all about if he is capable of bluff-raising this without the straight or flush. If he isnt, I´d bet-fold because he might have bet his QJ 2pair on the turn but he probably wont bet it again on the river. If I´m not sure if he may bluffraise me (especially since check-calling the turn and then betting the river when it clearly is a blank is pretty weird), I like the check-call. Is there any situation where you check-call the turn and bet-fold the river without having improved? I think raises on the river are way less often bluffs as there is no semibluff possible and you know its just 1 bet left to showdown and not possibly 2 like against a turnraise. |
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Re: Top two on 4 flush/straight board.
I think this is good. The river here is definitely a tough spot.
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