A hand QTip and I have been discussing

[Octopus]

This hand is from the mid/high forum and I'd like to hear some thoguhts from the SS crowd.

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I was in a hand last night, UB 30-60, I think it was 6 or 7-handed. Tight but otherwise unknown player opens, I 3bet on the button with TT, fish calls in BB, opener caps, we call.


Flop is 9 high raggy. Check; bet; I raise; fish calls 2; opener calls.


Turn pairs the 9. Opener bets.


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Arguements have been made for all three options. What do you think?

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[@bsolute_luck]

fold. i don't see a tight player leading back into you on this flop with AK, unless they're capping with a lot less up at those limits [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] and i don't think he's laying down QQ-JJ either.

[TheHip41]

Raise/fold to a 3-bet or Just fold. I think calling down is the worst of the options.

If you have a read that he is LAGish, then raising to fold out the BB, or see what the BB does, then calling down if BB folds and you get 3bet.

[felix83]

Since the replies haven't mentioned the fish, I'll throw out the possibility of his flopping a low set with one of the rags, as his calling 2 cold might suggest.

Just more support for the fold option.

[Octopus]

OK, a side question:

What hands (if any) would you play like the pre-flop capper here?

[@bsolute_luck]

any premium hand hoping to 3-bet.

[Carmine]

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OK, a side question:

What hands (if any) would you play like the pre-flop capper here?

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I'll guess capper is on AA/KK. When you raise his flop bet after he caps PF he is concerned about top set(I would think 99 is a 3-betting hand PF for you). When the board pairs you no longer get credit for 99 and much less likely you are on the other rags(which you don't specify). He is confident you are on a lower PP and hence he is on a bet/3-bet line.

Now I wouldn't play AA/KK like this on the flop but this is my read at this point without knowing more about villains specific play.

[Octopus]

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OK, a side question:

What hands (if any) would you play like the pre-flop capper here?

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I'll guess capper is on AA/KK. When you raise his flop bet after he caps PF he is concerned about top set(I would think 99 is a 3-betting hand PF for you). When the board pairs you no longer get credit for 99 and much less likely you are on the other rags(which you don't specify). He is confident you are on a lower PP and hence he is on a bet/3-bet line.

Now I wouldn't play AA/KK like this on the flop but this is my read at this point without knowing more about villains specific play.

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Another possibility: He has QQ-TT. He thinks he has the best hand, but he would like to see the BB fold if he has even one overcard. If he 3-bets on the flop, he knows that he will not get to face BB with two bets on the turn unless he is behind. So instead he just calls, planning to bet any turn, HOPING that you raise in order to give the BB another chance to fold. If he had AA-KK, getting BB to fold is not that important, so he would a)3-bet the flop or b)check-raise the turn to trap the BB for an extra bet.

In the end, it doesn't really matter if he has AA-KK or QQ-TT; unless he would do this with worse hands, we are done. On the other hand, if he would do this with 88-?? or even AK ... (The original poster says only that he lost the hand.)

[MaxPower]

A lot depends on the position the tight player was in when he open raised.