KKF123 Hand vs arbitrary

ripdog · #1 10-19-2005, 02:40 AM

No need to post the history. I've been watching for 15 minutes or so. KKF has ~$43,000, arb has ~$10,000. KKF has been playing very tight. arb raises to $300 pre-flop, KKF re-raises to $900, arb calls. Flop comes with a 10 and Q in it. KKF bets $1800 (I think), arb calls. Turn is another Q, KKF goes all in, arb insta-calls for $6700. River bricks, KKF shows AA, arb shows 10 4.

As soon as KKF takes it up to $900 I know it's a big pair. How does arb insta-call this? Horrible...

Sponger15SB · #2 10-19-2005, 02:45 AM

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As soon as KKF takes it up to $900 I know it's a big pair. How does arb insta-call this? Horrible...

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Hey what do you know, there are seats open with your name right on it!

Go_Blue88 · #3 10-19-2005, 02:45 AM

If one of the best players in the world at online cash games doesn't think KKF is that predictable or that easy to read, then I doubt you can define KKF's hand range that easily. Also, Mahat has played with KKF quite a few times recently; he'd have a better read than you would.

ripdog · #4 10-19-2005, 02:54 AM

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If one of the best players in the world at online cash games doesn't think KKF is that predictable or that easy to read, then I doubt you can define KKF's hand range that easily. Also, Mahat has played with KKF quite a few times recently; he'd have a better read than you would.

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One bad play does not define the player, but this was obviously a big pair. Was he blowing off $10,000 for metagame considerations? There were 90 observers at the time and I'd bet that 70 of them were screaming "BIG PAIR!" as soon as the $900 went in.

Go_Blue88 · #5 10-19-2005, 02:59 AM

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If one of the best players in the world at online cash games doesn't think KKF is that predictable or that easy to read, then I doubt you can define KKF's hand range that easily. Also, Mahat has played with KKF quite a few times recently; he'd have a better read than you would.

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One bad play does not define the player, but this was obviously a big pair. Was he blowing off $10,000 for metagame considerations? There were 90 observers at the time and I'd bet that 70 of them were screaming "BIG PAIR!" as soon as the $900 went in.

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This is a very ridiculous statement. The people are *observers*, hence, not playing because they're not good enough. Ever heard of a player bluffing?

ripdog · #6 10-19-2005, 03:14 AM

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If one of the best players in the world at online cash games doesn't think KKF is that predictable or that easy to read, then I doubt you can define KKF's hand range that easily. Also, Mahat has played with KKF quite a few times recently; he'd have a better read than you would.

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One bad play does not define the player, but this was obviously a big pair. Was he blowing off $10,000 for metagame considerations? There were 90 observers at the time and I'd bet that 70 of them were screaming "BIG PAIR!" as soon as the $900 went in.

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This is a very ridiculous statement. The people are *observers*, hence, not playing because they're not good enough. Ever heard of a player bluffing?

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I disagree. The observers are not playing because they don't have tens of thousands to throw around. I watched very closely for a while and the re-raise by KKF was way out of the ordinary. On the flip side I've seen hyper-aggressives just call and been just as sure (and just as correct) that they held big pairs. I'm not saying I'd beat either of these guys, but in this case I was positive that KKF had JJ-AA.

#7 10-19-2005, 03:15 AM

So you would fold... Great spot for him to raise you with air there then.

Sponger15SB · #8 10-19-2005, 03:05 AM

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One bad play does not define the player, but this was obviously a big pair. Was he blowing off $10,000 for metagame considerations? There were 90 observers at the time and I'd bet that 70 of them were screaming "BIG PAIR!" as soon as the $900 went in.

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Seriously man, seats open, jump right in.

KaneKungFu123 · #9 10-19-2005, 02:46 AM

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As soon as KKF takes it up to $900 I know it's a big pair.

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not entirely true.

#10 10-19-2005, 02:50 AM

Past history, and he fails to see the hand... guessing his thinking is as such, "I got one of the tens so a set is unlikey, who raise all in with a q here, he has to be bluffing"