Hand 1: So Many Kings

#1 10-13-2005, 02:08 PM

Here's a hand I played yesterday. I recently sat down and had no read on my opponent. So, how's my line? Please comment on all streets, if you wish.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) converter

BB ($118)
UTG ($89.50)
Button ($42.95)
Hero ($106.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Button calls $1, Hero (poster) raises to $4.5, 1 fold, Button calls $4.

Flop: ($11) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button calls $8.

Turn: ($27) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($27) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $20, Hero calls $20.

Final Pot: $67

Dumle

TreyOfLight · #2 10-13-2005, 02:21 PM

I would raise more preflop, to 6 or 7, given your bad position.

#3 10-13-2005, 02:25 PM

I think I would've chekd the flop cuz the only way he would call when you bet is if he had the pair of 8's , set of 8's, or trip kings and possibly a PP 99 to QQ but thats unlikely. A check will induce a call from a weaker hand on the turn or u can check again there if the board doesnt turn scarier and he will make a bluff at the pot. The check on the turn wasn't the greatest move either, I think it leaves yourself vulnerable if he bets the pot into you. With no reads u dont kno what he has when he bets big into u... so are u going to call with Aces all the way to showdown? I'd prefer to continue betting if I did bet the flop and if he raised me then I would toss it.

#4 10-13-2005, 02:31 PM

Wouldn't a bet at the flop be great for getting exactly that information? If he calls, you know there's a big chance you're behind. After he calls the flop I check the turn and fold to a large bet, if he checks behind on the turn I half pot the river and fold to a raise.

#5 10-13-2005, 02:43 PM

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Wouldn't a bet at the flop be great for getting exactly that information? If he calls, you know there's a big chance you're behind. After he calls the flop I check the turn and fold to a large bet, if he checks behind on the turn I half pot the river and fold to a raise.

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What's the point of the 1/2 pot bet on the river?
You've already shown weakness on the turn, and he called a large flop bet.

Why not just bet this on the turn instead after he possibly missed a draw?

#6 10-13-2005, 03:22 PM

Why not just bet this on the turn instead after he possibly missed a draw?

And when he calls? If I bet this turn, he may very well just call with his king as well as his flush draw and I still have no idea where I stand. I prefer to check this because I think that better defines his hand and keeps the pot small. If he bets, especially big, I think there's a great chance that I am behind. If he checks, I probably made a mistake giving him a free card, but the likelihood of him having a flush draw is much bigger and I can check the river and possibly pick off a bluff if he decides to bet. Comments?

Dumle

#7 10-13-2005, 02:46 PM

If you don't bet the flop, it will keep the pot more controlled ( smaller ) . He wont be able to bet as big relative to the pot. Usually people wouldnt bet after someone checks with trips as well so the pot would stay the same for the turn. There's not much he can improve with to beat u if he is behind so i think the freecard in this case is good. If he did lead out on the flop after I check, I would not give him credit for the King and would call or raise dependin what i feel he has.

If you bet the flop and he calls and you check the turn that really seems to me like a Cbet and definite weakness. I would put in a pot sized bet with a flush draw after i calld on the flop and saw a check on the turn.

#8 10-13-2005, 03:18 PM

if he checks behind on the turn I half pot the river and fold to a raise.

I don't like that strategy. If he checks behind on the turn, I think there's a great chance that he is indeed on a flush draw and it is much better for me to check and possibly pick off a bluff, no?

Dumle

soah · #9 10-13-2005, 03:28 PM

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if he checks behind on the turn I half pot the river and fold to a raise.

I don't like that strategy. If he checks behind on the turn, I think there's a great chance that he is indeed on a flush draw and it is much better for me to check and possibly pick off a bluff, no?

Dumle

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Checking the turn shows a lot of weakness. Even a poor player realizes that. How do you know that your opponent will not bluff the turn with his flush draws to push you off of your weak hand, and check his kings to extract more value on the river?

#10 10-13-2005, 03:32 PM

How do you know that your opponent will not bluff the turn with his flush draws to push you off of your weak hand, and check his kings to extract more value on the river?

I don't. But if I bet the turn and he calls, I'm in the same situation on the river, with an even larger pot. If I check here I will again show weakness and he might try to push me off. What do you suggest I do on the river if I bet the turn and he calls?

Dumle