lucky again ?

[euri10]

loose is the same guy than in the previous post where i get lucky...
all critics welcomed, im still convinced i have a lot of things to learn

Hand #8513841-7790 at La Grande ($5/$10 Triple Draw 2-7)
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Started at 11/Oct/05 12:10:28

loose is at seat 0 with $567.
is at seat 3 with $206.
euri10 is at seat 4 with $231.
The button is at seat 0.

playerC posts the small blind of $2.
euri10 posts the big blind of $5.

loose: -- -- -- -- --
playerC: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 6s 3s 5c 6d 2d

First Round:

loose raises to $10. playerC folds. euri10
re-raises to $15. loose calls.

euri10 takes 1 card. loose takes 2 cards.

loose: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 6s 3s 5c 2d 2h

Second Round:

euri10 bets $5. loose raises to $10. euri10
calls.

euri10 takes 1 card. loose stands pat.

loose: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 6s 3s 5c 2d 9h

Third Round:

euri10 bets $10. loose raises to $20. euri10
re-raises to $30. loose calls.

euri10 stands pat. loose takes 1 card.

loose: -- -- -- -- --
euri10: 6s 3s 5c 2d 9h

Final Round:

euri10 checks. loose checks.



Showdown:

euri10 shows 9h 6s 5c 3s 2d.
euri10 has 9 6 5 3 2.
loose mucks cards.
(loose has Js 7s 6c 4h 3h.)


Hand #8513841-7790 Summary:

$.50 is raked from a pot of $112.
euri10 wins $111.50 with 9 6 5 3 2.

[Luv2DriveTT]

I agree, U have a lot of things to learn, your hand makes this evident. Instead of me (us) pointing out what you did wrong, why don't you start by pointing out the parts where you see your own errors? At that point is where I think the rest of us should chime in.

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[euri10]

ok, trying to make my own criticism, I'd say preflop 3-bet is ok, the game is 3 handed.
the only thing that I find kind of bad with 3 bet is my position and the fact I have a 6 so maybe I should draw 2 and only call his raise preflop.
Franckly I have some troubles adapting my starting requirements to HU/3 handed games.
Second round I should obviously not bet into the raiser without improving.
Third round could be well played but thinking about it, if as I think he stayed pat with a bad 9 I should not reraise him, trying to stick him with his bad 9.
River is maybe the only street I played well, I made him break the round before so he obviously is drawing to a 7, I couldnt stand a raise here.
Feel free to discuss my a posteriori analysis, things I should note, have in mind etc.... thanks

[timprov]

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I agree, U have a lot of things to learn, your hand makes this evident.

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I'd like to hear what you think is wrong with this hand. I don't see anything.

[euri10]

even the 3 bet oop with a 6 ?

[timprov]

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even the 3 bet oop with a 6 ?

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Very much yes. If anything, it's the least questionable part of the hand. You can't be scared of sixes, especially shorthanded.

[somapopper]

I think the initial 3-bet and betting out the second round are both correct and you're second guessing yourself a bit too much. You're a card ahead going in to the second round, only betting when you improve isn't getting it done.

Check/ calling the river, seems like a no brainer. Check/ folding sucks for metagame reasons. But if Loose had stayed pat, check folding would probably be correct.

the only part of this hand that I'd take issue with is round 3. he stood pat on 2, so clearly he's going to bet out his hand like 98% of the time, so if you're going to raise, a check raise makes a lot more sense then betting out.

So, check raise, or just call?

I believe check raising is usually correct in this situation since you've been drawing one the whole time and 3 bet at the start. Loose going from 2 to pat could often indicate a hand as bad as a 10 or a snow, and if Loose will ever break an 87 HU, this is probably the situation where he will.

If you believe Loose will never break an 87, and he won't snow and won't stand on worse than a 9, then just calling is correct, as you're usually behind, and you're only breaking hands that you're currently ahead of.

The situation is marginal if Loose will never break an 87, will stand on a 9 or 10 or even J on round 2, and will break the vast majority of hands you beat. I think this player may be somewhat rare, so we don't have to worry too much about this, but all the same I'd just call here for what it's worth. In a big pot, the raise for value isn't worth giving Loose a chance to outdraw you. I posted a hand with a simillar concept a while back, but the discusssion never got off the ground. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

If Loose had capped, would you draw? Would you call with a 9 when he stood and bet into you on the river? What about a 10?

[euri10]

I wouldn't have draw if loose had capped, but fold to a bet on the river with a 9 or T, he bets his bad 87 all the time, maybe it's weak and inconsistant with my play on this hand, I don't know
btw, english is not my mother tongue and I dont understand what you mean by meta game !

[timprov]

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In a big pot, the raise for value isn't worth giving Loose a chance to outdraw you.

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In position, this is true. But we're OOP, and when we stand pat, villain's going to break anything he would have broken to a raise.

[somapopper]

woops... good point timprov. I promise to take my stupid cap off before I post next.

In my defense, I think 87s might get broke by a raise, but definately won't get broke most of the time hero just calls and stands pat.