Intro to libertarian philosophy animation

bluesbassman · #1 10-11-2005, 01:41 PM

Here is a clever though purposefully basic introduction to liberty animation:

Philosophy of liberty animation

I'm sure the leftist intellectuals on here will scoff at this mercilessly, as it is well beneath them. For a simpleton like me, however, I find it to be fairly well done and illustrative of fundamental political principles.

TomCollins · #2 10-11-2005, 01:59 PM

Good post.

#3 10-11-2005, 03:42 PM

What happens when I exercise my liberty to get all liquored up and drive 110 and smash into you and your family?

coffeecrazy1 · #4 10-11-2005, 03:49 PM

Then you are deprived of your liberty, and punished for the depriving of theirs.

In my opinion, your life should be deprived as well. But...I do not have a problem with you getting liquored up or driving 110...it's the smashing into someone else that I would punish...otherwise, whose liberty has been deprived?

#5 10-11-2005, 04:52 PM

What if we both own land on a creek, and mine's upstream from yours. Can I dump my sewage directly into the creek?

coffeecrazy1 · #6 10-11-2005, 04:58 PM

Sure...as long as it doesn't affect my portion of the creek. Do what you want to with your property, as long as it doesn't affect mine. I could care less if you want your part of the creek to be a cesspool, but I better not see a turd floating in my part of the creek.

#7 10-11-2005, 05:54 PM

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Sure...as long as it doesn't affect my portion of the creek. Do what you want to with your property, as long as it doesn't affect mine. I could care less if you want your part of the creek to be a cesspool, but I better not see a turd floating in my part of the creek.

[/ QUOTE ] But it will affect your part of the creek. It's a creek, after all, and you're downstream.

So you won't let me do what I want with my property? It sounds like you'd want there to be some regulations about how people do things, even things as mundane as disposing of sewage. Would you want me to put in a septic tank? That would probably catch most of the runoff, but if you sampled your water, you'd probably find some fecal bacteria in there. Should I have to install a whole filtration system? How can we be sure that it's absolutely not affecting you at all? Would there have to be inspectors to make sure I did the installation properly? Why should I let you impinge on my liberty and make me spend $10,000 just because you're squeamish about a few bacteria?

Il_Mostro · #8 10-12-2005, 06:08 AM

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I could care less if you want your part of the creek to be a cesspool

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I think this is my main problem with the libertarian thought. I'm not greatly read up on the subject, but at least as presented here this is a major drawback, one that is large enough for me to dismiss the idea, even though parts of it is great.

So, I'm free to do what I want with my land, poison it as much as I like, as long as it doesn't seep into your property, right?

So, what about those most affected by this poisoning? Those who will have this land when I'm dead and gone. Why do we completely ignore their right to a poison-free environment?

This, among other things, is why I strongly belive we need a government and a set of laws to protect the environment (for example).

jakethebake · #9 10-13-2005, 09:04 AM

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Then you are deprived of your liberty, and punished for the depriving of theirs.

In my opinion, your life should be deprived as well. But...I do not have a problem with you getting liquored up or driving 110...it's the smashing into someone else that I would punish...otherwise, whose liberty has been deprived?

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Very well put.

bluesbassman · #10 10-11-2005, 05:16 PM

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What happens when I exercise my liberty to get all liquored up and drive 110 and smash into you and your family?

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Then you should be convicted of negligent manslaughter. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you can figure out how such a scenario obviously violates the "non-initiation of force" principle.