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Old 10-10-2005, 06:51 PM
bozlax bozlax is offline
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Default A question of theft...

You're playing 1/2 online at PickASite. This is the BB's first hand. It's folded to you. How low will you go on a pure steal? Ace-high/any two suited/any pocket pair is obvious, but what about Q5o? T3o? J6o?
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Old 10-10-2005, 06:53 PM
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I'd usually fold all 3 of those. I think first hand the BB is more likely to play back so I'd rather wait an orbit or 2. This will also enable me to gauge what sort of a player I'm up against.
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Old 10-10-2005, 06:54 PM
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We button or SB or ... ?
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Old 10-10-2005, 06:57 PM
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Stealing blinds almost never works at the 6max tables I play. I only raise in late position for value, or against a tight weak player who might actually fold. But then, the chance of the player to my left being tight weak is pretty low.
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Old 10-10-2005, 07:01 PM
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Stealing blinds almost never works at the 6max tables I play. I only raise in late position for value, or against a tight weak player who might actually fold. But then, the chance of the player to my left being tight weak is pretty low.

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You lose money at 6max.
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Old 10-10-2005, 08:46 PM
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Stealing blinds almost never works at the 6max tables I play. I only raise in late position for value, or against a tight weak player who might actually fold. But then, the chance of the player to my left being tight weak is pretty low.

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You lose money at 6max.

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And how.
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Old 10-10-2005, 08:51 PM
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Stealing blinds almost never works at the 6max tables I play. I only raise in late position for value, or against a tight weak player who might actually fold. But then, the chance of the player to my left being tight weak is pretty low.

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You lose money at 6max.

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And how.

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my bad. blind theft is pretty damn important in every sixmax game. can't give any specific numbers here, but i'd wager that 1/5+ of my profit is from blind steal situations. it's more than the expected 1/6 or whatever.

for the original question, assuming that you're in the sb i'm raising any face card, some suited connectors, all pairs, all aces, some connectors, and some couple gapper connectors. in other words, lots. everything but the rags.
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Old 10-10-2005, 09:32 PM
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I generally tighten up when raising from the SB in the low-limit 6-max games I play. The BB often has something like 60 VP$IP and 50% WtSD, so you think they're gonna give up their BB here? No way. You'll be raising with K4o, see a raggedy flop, and throw away bets to the river out of position to see him turn over a-high or middle-pair.

Lately I've been open-completing the SB with my weaker playable hands against major calling stations in the BB (and raising the rest). Against weak tighties I raise far more hands and never open-complete.
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Old 10-10-2005, 10:42 PM
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Stealing blinds almost never works at the 6max tables I play. I only raise in late position for value, or against a tight weak player who might actually fold. But then, the chance of the player to my left being tight weak is pretty low.

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You lose money at 6max.

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And how.

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my bad. blind theft is pretty damn important in every sixmax game. can't give any specific numbers here, but i'd wager that 1/5+ of my profit is from blind steal situations. it's more than the expected 1/6 or whatever.

for the original question, assuming that you're in the sb i'm raising any face card, some suited connectors, all pairs, all aces, some connectors, and some couple gapper connectors. in other words, lots. everything but the rags.

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And this man doesn't even play poker.

Stealing blinds alone should work occasionally if you have good game selection. Steal attempt + continuation bet should net you $ well more than enough to be profitable.
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Old 10-10-2005, 10:44 PM
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Stealing blinds almost never works at the 6max tables I play. I only raise in late position for value, or against a tight weak player who might actually fold. But then, the chance of the player to my left being tight weak is pretty low.

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You lose money at 6max.

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And how.

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Nope, I win money. Average vp$ip at the tables I play at is 50%. These people will not fold.

Of course I still open raise in late position, but only if my hand is playable, since I'll be playing that hand against at least one if not both the blinds.

I just checked my pokertracker stats for the last 1000 hands at 1/2 6max. There were 3 times when a raise from late position(CO, button, small blind) resulted in my winning without seeing the flop. My preflop raise percentage at 6max is about 15%.

Interestingly enough (to me), there were actually more times when one of my early position raises resulted in winning without seeing the flop. I assume this is because these 6max tables, full of loose aggressives, have a "Oh no you DIDN'T" reaction when you raise from the button or small blind, and they call with their 82offsuit.
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