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#1
10-03-2005, 05:30 PM
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K9o on T98 flop
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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (5 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls. Turn: (4.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, CO calls, SB folds, Hero calls. River: (7.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font> Villians are all loose idiots. 60/5/1 the lot of them. Good line? Krishan - 77 
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#2
10-03-2005, 05:52 PM
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Re: K9o on T98 flop
I dont like it. You're WA/WB on the river, and there's no chance to folding a better hand (with the slender exception of A9). You also run into a sticky situation if somebody gets fancy and raises you.
On the other hand, by check-calling, you induce any busted draw to bet, as well as worse 9s. You can also get a call from the CO on a marginal holding like a worse middle pair, or bottom pair, whereas he might not have overcalled if you bet and the MP calls first. Your line only has merit where you are ahead of hands that will call, but you think the river will get checked through if you check. This is pretty rare. If MP checks a busted draw in this situation, the CO will often bet himself, given the show of weakness from you and MP.
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#3
10-03-2005, 07:14 PM
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Re: K9o on T98 flop
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I dont like it. You're WA/WB on the river, and there's no chance to folding a better hand (with the slender exception of A9). You also run into a sticky situation if somebody gets fancy and raises you. On the other hand, by check-calling, you induce any busted draw to bet, as well as worse 9s. You can also get a call from the CO on a marginal holding like a worse middle pair, or bottom pair, whereas he might not have overcalled if you bet and the MP calls first. Your line only has merit where you are ahead of hands that will call, but you think the river will get checked through if you check. This is pretty rare. If MP checks a busted draw in this situation, the CO will often bet himself, given the show of weakness from you and MP. [/ QUOTE ] My thoughts exactly. With respect to the other better players who answered differently. I can't even see this as being close. Seems like a text book check to induce bluff only a better hand will call but a worse hand will bet. I would like to hear your explanation for betting the river.
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#4
10-04-2005, 08:26 AM
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Re: K9o on T98 flop
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[ QUOTE ] I dont like it. You're WA/WB on the river, and there's no chance to folding a better hand (with the slender exception of A9). You also run into a sticky situation if somebody gets fancy and raises you. On the other hand, by check-calling, you induce any busted draw to bet, as well as worse 9s. You can also get a call from the CO on a marginal holding like a worse middle pair, or bottom pair, whereas he might not have overcalled if you bet and the MP calls first. Your line only has merit where you are ahead of hands that will call, but you think the river will get checked through if you check. This is pretty rare. If MP checks a busted draw in this situation, the CO will often bet himself, given the show of weakness from you and MP. [/ QUOTE ] My thoughts exactly. With respect to the other better players who answered differently. I can't even see this as being close. Seems like a text book check to induce bluff only a better hand will call but a worse hand will bet. I would like to hear your explanation for betting the river. [/ QUOTE ] The basic idea is the second T protects me from being raised by a worse hand as I could definitely have a weak T here. Weaker hands may view the T as a scare card and check behind when they would have called a bet. My kicker is very good also. Krishan - 80
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#5
10-04-2005, 09:13 AM
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Re: K9o on T98 flop
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The basic idea is the second T protects me from being raised by a worse hand as I could definitely have a weak T here. Weaker hands may view the T as a scare card and check behind when they would have called a bet. My kicker is very good also. [/ QUOTE ] So your thinking is that this is the same as the check-call, check-call, bet line one often takes OOP with a weak ace against a preflop raiser. The river donk on the end is protected against a raise because of the possibility that you've hit two-pair. On the other hand, hands like KK that might have bet the flop and turn, will call the river. I get that rationale, but I'm not sure why you think checking won't induce a bet from somebody with a worse 9 or an underpair. Your failure to bet the T, I would think would mean somebody else will--either as a bluff, or for value with a weaker 9. The only real problem to me seems to be what if MP bets and CO raises (a weak 9, for instance)... that obviously is hard to play.
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#10
10-03-2005, 06:18 PM
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Re: K9o on T98 flop
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[ QUOTE ] I think I like it. [/ QUOTE ] it's been a while. i'd be tempted to bet the flop though... is that too much? [/ QUOTE ] that was my first instinct too, but I think Id ratehr check and see waht happens. That way if it goes bet/raise to us we can just fold on the flop. And I wouldnt want to bet and then have someone raise and have to calldown since they might just have a J.
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