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#1
10-03-2005, 04:45 PM
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What was the point of my post?
I have found the responses to one of my No Limit posts quite interesting:
SSNL: Do you take the coin flip? I am curious as to why you all think I posted the question that I did. 
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#2
10-04-2005, 05:42 AM
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Re: What was the point of my post?
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I have found the responses to one of my No Limit posts quite interesting: SSNL: Do you take the coin flip? I am curious as to why you all think I posted the question that I did. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe you want to see how many people like to gamb001. Depending on the size of a bb and the amount of rake, it's essentially a waste of time. Sure, there is image. Putting AK on tilt if he loses could be worth lots. Loosening up the game has potential value. All the potential benefit is psychologically oriented, I suppose that is your point.
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#3
10-04-2005, 09:08 AM
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Re: What was the point of my post?
One more point, I didn't read many of the responses, but a valid reason for taking the coinflip would be that UTG is likely to lose the money back into the game if he wins this hand. A strong player who is likely to cash it out as part of his win is a different matter. Although, from the premise of the OP I would suspect you'd get a chance to win the money back if you lost this pot.
This by itself is probably enough to take the coinflip, assuming you have the proper BR and so on, regardless of any psych advantages.
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#4
10-04-2005, 02:48 PM
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Re: What was the point of my post?
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I have found the responses to one of my No Limit posts quite interesting: SSNL: Do you take the coin flip? I am curious as to why you all think I posted the question that I did. [/ QUOTE ] The reasons I made the post: #1 I am a beginner and continuously question whether or not I am making the correct decisions. I am always trying to get my money in when I think that it is a +EV situation and having lost these kinds of hands a couple of times, I am wondering if I should continue to push small edges like this one in a no limit game. #2 I was curious how many people would take this "coin flip"? I think there is too much autopilot play and a lot of the advice on the forum follows this trend. #3 I was curious about people's reaction to the post. The question was very basic, so did people take the time to read the post, understand the question it asked, and review all of the responses to understand why the correct play was actually correct? #4 What was the response of the people who I consider "winning" players and was their thought process similar to mine?
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#5
10-04-2005, 04:22 PM
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Re: What was the point of my post?
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You are sitting at a cash game with a 100xBB stack. UTG has gone all in for 100xBB. It is folded to you on the button with 55. You know two things: #1 You have a tell on UTG that is 100% reliable and says that he holds AK. [/ QUOTE ] If you don't take this, you probably shouldn't be playing N/L holdem. [ QUOTE ] #2 I was curious how many people would take this "coin flip"? I think there is too much autopilot play and a lot of the advice on the forum follows this trend. [/ QUOTE ] The way you presented it, it is an autopilot call. [ QUOTE ] I am always trying to get my money in when I think that it is a +EV situation and having lost these kinds of hands a couple of times, I am wondering if I should continue to push small edges like this one in a no limit game. [/ QUOTE ] You are letting past results affect your play. Time to stop. b
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#6
10-05-2005, 12:29 PM
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Re: What was the point of my post?
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[ QUOTE ] #2 I was curious how many people would take this "coin flip"? I think there is too much autopilot play and a lot of the advice on the forum follows this trend. [/ QUOTE ] The way you presented it, it is an autopilot call. [/ QUOTE ] I do not think that it was an autopilot call because it relied on an understanding of how an opponent plays (the tell), plus the edge was so small that many ignore it during play or wait for a bigger edge. The poll results support this in that 1/3 of the responders would not call! I can understand some people's view of trying to avoid high variance swings, but I do not think that that was the reason why so many people did not call.
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#7
10-05-2005, 05:03 PM
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Re: What was the point of my post?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] #2 I was curious how many people would take this "coin flip"? I think there is too much autopilot play and a lot of the advice on the forum follows this trend. [/ QUOTE ] The way you presented it, it is an autopilot call. [/ QUOTE ] I do not think that it was an autopilot call because it relied on an understanding of how an opponent plays (the tell), plus the edge was so small that many ignore it during play or wait for a bigger edge. [/ QUOTE ] You said it was 100% that he had AK against your 55 and that it would be HU. You have the edge. This isn't a tourney where you wait for a 'bigger' edge. Easy call. [ QUOTE ] The poll results support this in that 1/3 of the responders would not call! I can understand some people's view of trying to avoid high variance swings, but I do not think that that was the reason why so many people did not call. [/ QUOTE ] What other reason would there be other than variance that they wouldn't call when they have an edge? In a tourney, I could see folding. Not a cash game. b
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#8
10-05-2005, 11:24 PM
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Re: What was the point of my post?
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What other reason would there be other than variance that they wouldn't call when they have an edge? [/ QUOTE ] Good question. The answers were quite surprising. [names removed] [ QUOTE ] wow, it is pretty ridiculous how many people say yes take those noobs money some other hands, dont just play base on luck, this is retarded [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And if your in a cash game calling an all in preflop with 5-5 your an idiot if stacks are even. I don't care if he has AK or not if your gonna gamble for those odds go play roulette and put it on black. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't coinflip. If I get all in preflop, I'll have Kings or Aces. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] No I don't. Obviously it's positive EV, but I think I can improve my edge much more significantly by just playing hands on the flop, turn, and river. There's are better times to get all the money in and for me, I like to get a better edge too. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Its an easy fold. Why would I want to coin flip for my stack. Im a huge favorite in the game and I can get all my money in as a huge favorte. I agree with Bob Schiffone who says stay away from situations where you are either a small favorite or a huge under dog. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In the long run, this won't make much of a difference. You're gaining what, 5BB per call? [/ QUOTE ]
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#9
10-04-2005, 07:16 PM
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Re: What was the point of my post?
my interpretation: is an EV of 4 - 5 BB worth a significant variance increase?
off topic... my anser: sure! i dislike variance, but to increase the EV is the (or to be more precise: my) goal.
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#10
10-04-2005, 11:00 PM
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Re: What was the point of my post?
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my interpretation: is an EV of 4 - 5 BB worth a significant variance increase? off topic... my anser: sure! i dislike variance, but to increase the EV is the (or to be more precise: my) goal. [/ QUOTE ] At $50 BB, the rake is insignificant and the all-in must be made. At $0.25 BB, a $3 rake will screw you. Not worth it IMO. Without knowing the size of the BB relative to the rake, answering the question is a bit fuzzy.
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