PLO8, top two pair, big pot

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BB has vpip 33, pfr 6. As far as what I've seen, he could be a decent player, +3k over 2k hands. CO is a very loose, not-so-aggressive player: vpip 51, pfr 3, tough to fold out postflop.

$400 PL Omaha Hi/Lo
CO ( $701.47 ), Hero ( $393.95 ), SB ( $348.90 ),
UTG ( $194.20 ), MP1 ( $342.40 ),
UTG+1 ( $481.20 ), BB ( $392 ), OUT ( $400 )

Hero is BUT with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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SB posts $2.
BB posts $4.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $4,
Hero calls $4, SB raises $22, BB calls $20,
UTG+1 calls $20, CO calls $20, Hero calls $20

<font color="blue">Flop</font>: (117.00) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB checks.
BB bets $60.
UTG+1 folds.
CO calls $60.
Hero ???

[Baseballer02]

I don't think BB is making a big bet out of position without a big hand. Unless you believe BB would put everyone on low hands and is trying to buy the pot, I believe it's a fold.

[Kuso]

I would fold.

The raise from the BB is ominous. The call from the CO doesn't add much information -- and the SB still has to act. This just looks like a trap hand to me.

My guess is that you need low cards to hit for your 2pr to hold up -- and just half the pot that goes with it. Otherwise, you're drawing to a J or Q to take the high. T, K, or A (maybe even 8 or 9) and I'm guessing you're beat. Of course, if BB has a J or Q set, then you're just drawing to one out or drawing dead. (ugh)

If I were to play this hand, I would probably pot reraise in order to get HU with BB.

[Wintermute]

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The raise from the BB is ominous.

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When did the BB ever raise in this hand.

[Kuso]

Regarding terminology... apologies, i was cross-eyed drunk when i wrote the post. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] regardless, i think you can figure out what i meant.

Regarding "making up my mind", note that the comment was a conditional. I wouldn't choose to play this hand, but if, for some reason, I decided to do so, I would raise. This conditional was offered on the idea that some people play with different levels of aggression and/or tolerance for variance than I do.

give the drunk dude a break, WM. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Wintermute]

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I would fold. ...

If I were to play this hand, I would probably pot reraise in order to get HU with BB.

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Make up your mind. Also, how the hell are you going to reraise, there was never a raise.

[lautzutao]

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I would fold. ...

If I were to play this hand, I would probably pot reraise in order to get HU with BB.

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Make up your mind. Also, how the hell are you going to reraise, there was never a raise.

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Isn't a bet above the min a raise? I don't really give two !@$#s but you seem to be a rude @$$hole so I'll argue with ya.

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Isn't a bet above the min a raise?

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[Wintermute]

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I would fold. ...

If I were to play this hand, I would probably pot reraise in order to get HU with BB.

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Make up your mind. Also, how the hell are you going to reraise, there was never a raise.

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Isn't a bet above the min a raise?

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No, it's not. That action is called a "bet".

Also... relax. I'm genuinely interested whether you recommend folding or raising. It's reasonable to ask which it is, given that you advocate both within the same post.

[lautzutao]

What the heck are you doing calling this preflop raise with this janky hand?

Fold this. If you're not behind already you more than likely will be if another high card hits.