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Too aggressively played? Live 15/30
Both 8-handed, game is not so good.
Hand 1: Second orbit of session for me. UTG (aggessive player) raises. Folded to me in CO with K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], I 3-bet. Folded to UTG who 4-bets. I call. Headsup. FLOP: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG bets, I call. TURN: Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG bets, I raise... Hand 2: Two limpers to SB (decent player) who raises. I have A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in BB and 3-bets. All call. Four to the flop. FLOP: A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] SB checks, I bet. One limper and SB calls. Three to the turn. TURN: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] SB checks, I bet. Limper folds. SB check-raises, I 3-bet... |
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Re: Too aggressively played? Live 15/30
I play these both the same, with the possible exception of three-betting pre-flop in the first hand. Post-flop lines seems pretty straightforward in both cases. The turn three-bet in hand two I think is certainly the way to go given you have a hand that is very likely to be good and have like 13 outs to basically unbeatable hands.
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Re: Too aggressively played? Live 15/30
Hand 1: If you fold to a 3-bet then fine. If called how is your river plan?
Hand 2: standard... |
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Re: Too aggressively played? Live 15/30
I think raising the turn and folding to three bet in hand 1 is probably better than calling down. My main thought is the value in getting our opponent to fold a mediocre diamond (something like T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) probably outweighs the few negatives to a raise there (possibly getting raised off the best hand/forgoing some like outs/encouraging an inferior hand to fold the turn which may have made a thin value bet on the river, etc...). It is certainly read dependent, though. If our villain might three-bet with a combo hand or something like that I think calling down definitely becomes better.
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Re: Too aggressively played? Live 15/30
Is the 3-bet in the first hand standard??
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Re: Too aggressively played? Live 15/30
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Is the 3-bet in the first hand standard?? [/ QUOTE ] depends a lot on what he means by his read of "agressive player" |
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Re: Too aggressively played? Live 15/30
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[ QUOTE ] Is the 3-bet in the first hand standard?? [/ QUOTE ] depends a lot on what he means by his read of "agressive player" [/ QUOTE ] This statement is correct. If the villain was a tight raiser, this would be a standard fold. If the opponent is a loose rasier, a 3 bet is better than calling in my opinion if the opponent is capable of folding AQ,AK,AJ,AT unimproved somewhere in the hand. |
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Re: Too aggressively played? Live 15/30
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Is the 3-bet in the first hand standard?? [/ QUOTE ] depends a lot on what he means by his read of "agressive player" [/ QUOTE ] This statement is correct. If the villain was a tight raiser, this would be a standard fold. If the opponent is a loose rasier, a 3 bet is better than calling in my opinion if the opponent is capable of folding AQ,AK,AJ,AT unimproved somewhere in the hand. [/ QUOTE ]Information was not clear. He had been raising often in my two orbits of play, where most of them did not reach a showdown. Aggressive? Yes. Loose-Aggressive? Still not sure. I was bound to find out in this hand. Reraising preflop or folding was a very close decision. I could have folded the flop also, but chose to make a move on the turn. It just so happens my card came out. |
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Re: Too aggressively played? Live 15/30
This is one of the rare circumstances where just calling preflop is also an option. If you think the raiser might not fold AJ or AT or worse to a rag flop and might play back at you with a suited 20 on a semibluff, it means you have to hit your hand to win. So you might as well save yourself two bets, and since your hand is kind of like a suited connector you really don't mind that much if the blinds call as you're getting decent implied odds. I still prefer folding preflop, and I think I even like 3 betting second best, but I would at least strongly consider just calling.
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Re: Too aggressively played? Live 15/30
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Is the 3-bet in the first hand standard?? [/ QUOTE ]Definitely not. I thought it may have been a good time to do so. (see response above) Just unsure of both hands, hence, this post. |
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