Flop and turn play?

Nilbud · #1 09-26-2005, 06:55 PM

Everyone at this table was loose-passive, but the Button had better agression than the others and wasn't afraid to raise. I had been playing with him for a couple of hours and noticed that he wasn't afraid to raise a good hand, either pre-flop or post-flop. In fact, I was thinking he'd be a decent player if he just stopped playing so many hands pre-flop. Everyone else at the table will call if they have any piece.

I specifically interested in what everyone thinks of the flop raise and the turn bet.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (9 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.

#2 09-26-2005, 07:02 PM

Borderline PF raising from the SB with ATs. I personally wouldn't do it. With AJs, sure.

Flop: Easy lead bet. When button re-raises, I think you should call. You're drawing, you don't want to face everyone else with two bets, and you don't have enough equity for the 3-bet to be for value if it becomes heads-up. You got lucky with someone else sticking around.

Turn: Check-call.

River: Lead if you hit trips, straight, or flush. With two-pair, check-call 1 bet. Unimproved, check/fold. It's far too likely one of them has K or Q.

edit: I'm ambivalent about flop 3-betting. I don't think you're clearing up any outs since you'd hear from AK or AQ preflop. But, your 12 (or more with the aces) out draw does come in 48% of the time with two cards to come, so it wouldn't be terrible heads-up.

#3 09-26-2005, 07:09 PM

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When button re-raises, I think you should call. You're drawing, you don't want to face everyone else with two bets, and you don't have enough equity for the 3-bet to be for value if it becomes headsup. You got lucky and got someone else to stick around.

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Agree

Nilbud · #4 09-26-2005, 08:37 PM

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Borderline PF raising from the SB with ATs. I personally wouldn't do it. With AJs, sure.

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To be honest, it doesn't matter that much in EV terms, but this is a profitable raise. The table is currently over 50% VPIP and PFR of < 4%. These guys are playing any Ax, and I'm beating most of them, plus I have the flush and straight potential.

#5 09-26-2005, 08:53 PM

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Borderline PF raising from the SB with ATs. I personally wouldn't do it. With AJs, sure.

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To be honest, it doesn't matter that much in EV terms, but this is a profitable raise. The table is currently over 50% VPIP and PFR of < 4%. These guys are playing any Ax, and I'm beating most of them, plus I have the flush and straight potential.

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Ed miller advises raising with it even on a tight table.

Jacob_Gilliam · #6 09-26-2005, 07:03 PM

Perfecto.

deception5 · #7 09-26-2005, 07:05 PM

Looks great. What's your plan for the river?

Nilbud · #8 09-26-2005, 07:15 PM

My plan for the river is obvious if I hit the straight or flush, I'm bet/raising as fast as I can. If I hit trips with the Ten, I'm leading out and calling a raise.

If I miss but the river is a blank, I bet/call. If it completes a draw, say a J, I check/fold. If I hit and A for two-pair, I probably bet/call while cringing horribly.

POKhER · #9 09-26-2005, 07:18 PM

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Flop: (8 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (9 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)

OR

Flop: (8 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 calls, Button raises, Hero calls,, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8BB (4 players)
1 BB down(Made up if BB now calls (I.e. Hits a straight draw or maybe 2pair who knows what he held).

#10 09-26-2005, 07:06 PM

I raise preflop and smooth call the raise on the flop.

I bet the turn.