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Old 09-26-2005, 11:57 AM
Ivanapolis Ivanapolis is offline
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Default Bet and collect or check and trap?

Paradise Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (4 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (8 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero ?
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Old 09-26-2005, 12:07 PM
TheHammer24 TheHammer24 is offline
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Default Re: Bet and collect or check and trap?

Bet. You're the only one who has shown agression thus far. If they all have K's they will call your bet collecting you probably 3 BB's. The last thing you want is for some bizarre reason this to be checked through. Additionally, It could go bet, raise, call, call, and back to you. I think there is a lot more money in betting ths.
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Old 09-26-2005, 12:08 PM
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Default Re: Bet and collect or check and trap?

i bet, if someone has a king, theyll probly raise you
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Old 09-26-2005, 12:10 PM
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Default Re: Bet and collect or check and trap?

Not betting this is a

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crime against humanity

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Old 09-26-2005, 12:14 PM
mtdoak mtdoak is offline
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Default Re: Bet and collect or check and trap?

Bet bet bet. Whats better than getting into a war when you have the nuts?? If you whiff on your CR, you may have lost 2-3 BB from overcallers. I've seen many people go crazy (myself included) when they just have the K here. Check Raising just gives away your hand here. Check raising is rarely correct on the river unless you have a very strong read on what they have.
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Old 09-26-2005, 12:18 PM
sy_or_bust sy_or_bust is offline
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Default Re: Bet and collect or check and trap?

Always bet. There is too great a chance that you will be raised by a worse hand, allowing you to jam when no one is folding a king. If it were heads-up, checkraising is much more attractive.
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Old 09-26-2005, 12:46 PM
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Default Re: Bet and collect or check and trap?

No one has shown any aggression except you. No need to change it up on the river. Any K will likely be raising you too which would be sweet.
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Old 09-26-2005, 01:02 PM
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Default Re: Bet and collect or check and trap?

Wost possible place for the sexy. You have 3 callers behind, no gaurentee anyone will bet &amp; which position would bet if they did. better yet, anyone who would bet if you called will probably raise if you bet. Bet &amp; hope the field goes call/call/raise.

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Old 09-26-2005, 01:19 PM
kiddj kiddj is offline
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Am I the only one who doesn't like the preflop call completing the small blind? You have 2 limpers in and the big blind yet to act. How is your preflop equity not practically 0?
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Old 09-26-2005, 02:17 PM
TheHip41 TheHip41 is offline
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Default Re: Bet and collect or check and trap?

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Am I the only one who doesn't like the preflop call completing the small blind? You have 2 limpers in and the big blind yet to act. How is your preflop equity not practically 0?

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I call here just about always getting 7.5-1

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equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 30.2640 % 29.66% 00.61% { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, JTs, A9o+, KTo+, QJo, JTo }

Hand 2: 24.7526 % 23.89% 00.86% { 22+, A2s+, K8s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T7s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, A6o+, K8o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }

Hand 3: 23.5431 % 22.74% 00.81% { Qc8s }

Hand 4: 21.4403 % 20.29% 01.15% {random }
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