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Old 09-20-2005, 06:01 PM
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Default Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes

Feel kindof stupid asking this, but what's the best way to build a roll to properly play the 30/60 you guys keep taking about?

I play lower stakes, am comfortable playing 10/20...

The investment for just 200 Big Bets is $12,000! This, to me, is just too much money to go and deposit into a site...
The obvious answer is then to deposit less and build it up - yea I know...but how much and where's the best place/how's the best way to go about building the roll...
Assuming I could beat that limit for a profit/would enjoy playing that high regularly...

Isn't 30/60 full of pros?

Any advice/insights into how you may have built your roll appreciated.
(I tend to get greedy and cash-out my winnings and spend them, so I find it very tough to be able to
accomplish this task of amsassing a $12-18K roll).

Joe M.

Ps. If you think this post is funny or you think I'm a donk or idiot or whatever - fell free to insult. I am here for your entertainment.
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Old 09-20-2005, 06:07 PM
kenberman kenberman is offline
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Default Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes

people 'build' rolls for big games by beating small games.

sorry,but there are no shortcuts if you want to build a safe roll for 30/60.

if you aren't worried about going bust, then there are plenty of shortcuts [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 09-20-2005, 06:26 PM
ggbman ggbman is offline
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Default Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes

Build your role at 5-10 for a while. Those games are awesome, and then you can build a cushioned role so you can take shots every now and then.
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Old 09-20-2005, 06:24 PM
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Default Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes

How many tables are you going to play? If it's only one or two you don't need to deposit anywhere near 200 BB all at once. I'm assuming of course that you have the money and just don't want to deposit that much. That's what your post implies.
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Old 09-21-2005, 11:55 AM
Jason Strasser Jason Strasser is offline
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Default Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes

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How many tables are you going to play? If it's only one or two you don't need to deposit anywhere near 200 BB all at once. I'm assuming of course that you have the money and just don't want to deposit that much. That's what your post implies.

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.... Variance does not decrease with fewer tables.
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Old 09-21-2005, 04:31 PM
Justin A Justin A is offline
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Default Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes

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How many tables are you going to play? If it's only one or two you don't need to deposit anywhere near 200 BB all at once. I'm assuming of course that you have the money and just don't want to deposit that much. That's what your post implies.

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.... Variance does not decrease with fewer tables.

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I think he just meant you don't need as much money in your poker account to play only 1 or 2 tables.
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Old 09-21-2005, 04:37 PM
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Default Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes

besides variance does decrease with fewer tables as you are able to make better decisions on fewer tables and tilt lasts for fewer hands. Law of diminishing returns. (or increasing returns in this case).
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Old 09-21-2005, 05:08 PM
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Default Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes

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besides variance does decrease with fewer tables as you are able to make better decisions on fewer tables and tilt lasts for fewer hands. Law of diminishing returns. (or increasing returns in this case).

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Old 09-20-2005, 07:45 PM
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Default Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes

I think most people build their rolls by grinding it out at the lower limits, it's best this way. You should start at the 5/10 level and go from there. The 30/60 tables are a much, much different game.

When I was playing 5/10 seriously from about a year and a half ago the games were ridiculously easy. I stayed there for a little bit and found myself winning a few very large MTT's. My goal at that time was to play the 15/30 but once I won the tournaments it was smooth sailing. I took a shot at the 15/30 and never looked back.
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Old 09-20-2005, 08:09 PM
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Default Re: Fastest/Best way to build a roll for the upper-mid to high stakes

If you're asking for a get rich quick scheme, well, there is none. If you're asking about which stakes are the most profitable, I think that depends a lot on your own game. Some people will argue that 5/10, 10/20 SH is profitable, but if you've been playing full-ring games for 3 years, it'd be more profitable for you to just stick with those, rather than learn a whole new game.

By the way, on this site, 300 BB is considered the standard bankroll for smaller stakes, not 200 BB. I believe the reason for this is the increased aggression online. (It's much easier to click the "raise" button with 7-high than it is to throw in chips when you're at a real table.) From other discussions though, it seems like 300 BB is not considered enough for 15/30 and up. A lot of people consider 500 BB a good bankroll for the 15, 20, and 30 games.
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