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do I really HAVE to bet?
I'm pretty new to the table. UTG appears to limp preflop a lot. That's all I've got for reads.
Prima Poker 20/40 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls, Hero checks. Flop: (3 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, SB calls. Turn: (3 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, Hero ? |
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Re: do I really HAVE to bet?
Bets.
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Re: do I really HAVE to bet?
without reads itīs hard to say, but generally speaking, yes you need to bet this and fold to a raise.
But with some adequat reads this could change. depending on who you are up against those calls could mean business... |
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Re: do I really HAVE to bet?
No, you don't have to bet. About the only thing you can gather from their flop calls is that they probably don't have a T or a pocket pair in my opinion. That leaves 7's which have you in deep trouble and hands that you are in front of. In a pot this size I don't think it is a tragedy to give a free card and I think betting and calling down to a turn raise and a river bet would make me pretty unhappy. I don't mind spending two bets to check-call both streets, and sometimes I will be let out of the trap when UTG bets and SB checkraises. What do you think?
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Re: do I really HAVE to bet?
I'd say u bet out and u cant really fold to a raise because this is 20/40 which means u'll get tested much more. Now if u get raised and the guy behind u calls or c'r then you can safely fold.
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Re: do I really HAVE to bet?
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I'd say u bet out and u cant really fold to a raise because this is 20/40 which means u'll get tested much more. [/ QUOTE ] Constantly calling down when unsure of what to do is not really a great way to respond to being tested more. |
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Re: do I really HAVE to bet?
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I'd say u bet out and u cant really fold to a raise [/ QUOTE ]sure you can. |
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Re: do I really HAVE to bet?
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What do you think? [/ QUOTE ] I kinda want to bet, because, you know, tight AGGRESSIVE. All throughout the lower limits I knew to keep on betting, because people call with all sorts of garbage, and I need to charge them to chase, etc. Here in 20/40 6-max though, while they're certainly not all world class players, they're mostly decent, so getting called in 2 places on the flop obviously worries me. Sure UTG who limps all the time could be calling with overcards and the SB could have 89 or something, but I think the majority of the time, when I get called on this flop by 2 players in an unraised tiny pot, I'm dead. I was originally thinking bet/fold: I doubt I get bluffed here very often, and I just might have the best hand. I'm having doubts now about how often I really have the best hand though... it can't be very often. And getting bluff raised still isn't out of the question. So I then thought maybe I should check, and if UTG bets and SB doesn't fold I'll get out. If SB folds I'll probably call down. But that leaves me putting in 2 bets in a small pot where I'm not feeling good about my chances of winning, where bet/fold would've let me get away from my hand after putting in only one BB. At least I probably won't get bluffed off the best hand that way, but it seems like I'm just choosing between the lesser of two evils. How many bets I lose depends on which player has me beat... This pot is really small, I got called in 2 places on a not very drawy flop, I only have 2 outs to improve if I am behind and my hand isn't very strong. Would it really be that weak to check/fold this? sorry for the rambling, but that's really all i've got. tough to get very far here without any real read. |
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Re: do I really HAVE to bet?
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Would it really be that weak to check/fold this? [/ QUOTE ] Maybe things are dramatically different at 20/40, but at 5/10 and below poor play is in its fullest glory on paired boards. So even if the play is generally better at higher limits, I suspect that play on paired boards is worse than typical for the limit. That said, I think there are enough of overcard hands, gutshots, Ace or King high's, etc. that would call this flop to give you a reasonable chance of having the best hand. If you check, I don't think it is particularly important what sb does provided that he doesn't raise. So yes, I guess I think check-fold is too weak. Bet-fold is OK also, but I certainly don't think it is out of the question for UTG to bluff-raise here. He probably concludes from your flop bet that you don't have a 7 and so, especially if he thinks you are capable of folding, it wouldn't be such a bad spot for it in his mind. I also think it is unlikely that UTG has a 7. So basically, by planning to check and call down you will probably only get hurt if one of them has a T. Even then there are a bunch of river cards that may get you a chop. If both sb calls the turn and UTG bets again on the river and sb calls, then maybe you can fold. Is checking and calling down so bad risking 2BB to win at least 7BB? Thanks, Cartman |
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Re: do I really HAVE to bet?
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Is checking and calling down so bad risking 2BB to win at least 7BB? [/ QUOTE ] No, not at all. I was just throwing that out there. I don't really want to give up on top pair that easily. |
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