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Slowplayed trips gets ugly on turn - PP $30+3 3-table
Comments on all streets welcome, but the main question is whether or not to pay off the river bet..
Villain is quite loose preflop, w/ donkish tendencies (i.e. min-betting and raising). Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter UTG (t2115) UTG+1 (t440) MP1 (t1100) MP2 (t1175) CO (t875) Button (t2035) SB (t745) Hero (t1515) Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (t120) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets t30</font>, Hero calls t30, UTG calls t30, MP1 calls t30. Turn: (t240) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets t30</font>, Hero calls t30, UTG folds, MP1 calls t30. River: (t330) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets t200</font> Final Pot: t530 |
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Re: Slowplayed trips gets ugly on turn - PP $30+3 3-table
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Comments on all streets welcome, but the main question is whether or not to pay off the river bet.. Villain is quite loose preflop, w/ donkish tendencies (i.e. min-betting and raising). Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter UTG (t2115) UTG+1 (t440) MP1 (t1100) MP2 (t1175) CO (t875) Button (t2035) SB (t745) Hero (t1515) Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (t120) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets t30</font>, Hero calls t30, UTG calls t30, MP1 calls t30. Turn: (t240) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets t30</font>, Hero calls t30, UTG folds, MP1 calls t30. River: (t330) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets t200</font> Final Pot: t530 [/ QUOTE ] In my early days of NL poker I used to slowplay all sets and trips, the whole way, unless someone pushed or raised a lot and I felt like I could get them to goall in. I also used to basically treat sets and trips the same. That's bad. That being said, though your play isn't terrible, I think you played too slowly... On the flop I think I'm ok with just the call. I think you were probably hoping that someone else raises, which is fine. I'm not really sure why you think this board is that scary on the turn. What are you afraid of, 6T or quad tens? I think if he has either I pay that off basically every time. I would have raised the turn, if for no other reason than value. I'd call a push. I'd have pushed back at the river. I'm still assuming I have the best hand. I don't know why you think you're "paying off" a river bet. |
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Re: Slowplayed trips gets ugly on turn - PP $30+3 3-table
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I'm not really sure why you think this board is that scary on the turn. What are you afraid of, 6T or quad tens? [/ QUOTE ] WTF.. LOL! No, I'm scared of the much more obvious and reasonable possibility; a bare ten of any kind. You know TX is beating me right? But I agree with you generally about slowplaying, and I would often raise here. |
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Re: Slowplayed trips gets ugly on turn - PP $30+3 3-table
yea i think you missed something Dave..
but i think i fold this on the river, the pots pretty small, so your risk/reward isn't so hot. Move on to the next hand. |
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RESULTS
Yeah, i went ahead and folded figuring I was calling for at best half the pot.
I'll typically fastplay trips, but like someone else said i thought this was a good flop to slowplay with a rainbow board and only gutshot draws possible, everyone is drawing quite slim against me. Really i was hoping one of the others would raise the flop. |
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Re: RESULTS
OK, what am I missing here? A passive table calls smallish bets until the river. Then, a full frickin' house folds to a 2/3 pot bet on the river. WTF? You've got a full house! Maybe you don't have the best full house, but it's a $200 bet, and you've got, what, $1400 in your stack?
You've shown no aggression. There's a decent chance that you've convinced this guy that you don't have anything, and he's trying to buy the pot. I'm in there before he is! I think the villain's bets are suspiciously small. So small, in fact, that there is NO WAY IN HELL I don't call the river. He could have pocket aces. He could have 5s full. He could have a lot of things you can beat. And you have a full house facing a moderate bet. A push would've been a harder decision. This is insta-call. |
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Re: Slowplayed trips gets ugly on turn - PP $30+3 3-table
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[ QUOTE ] I'm not really sure why you think this board is that scary on the turn. What are you afraid of, 6T or quad tens? [/ QUOTE ] WTF.. LOL! No, I'm scared of the much more obvious and reasonable possibility; a bare ten of any kind. You know TX is beating me right? But I agree with you generally about slowplaying, and I would often raise here. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, it's late, I'm tired, and I've had a bad poker day. My point about raising goes doubly then. I knew there was something I was missing.. |
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Re: Slowplayed trips gets ugly on turn - PP $30+3 3-table
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[ QUOTE ] Comments on all streets welcome, but the main question is whether or not to pay off the river bet.. Villain is quite loose preflop, w/ donkish tendencies (i.e. min-betting and raising). Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter UTG (t2115) UTG+1 (t440) MP1 (t1100) MP2 (t1175) CO (t875) Button (t2035) SB (t745) Hero (t1515) Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (t120) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets t30</font>, Hero calls t30, UTG calls t30, MP1 calls t30. Turn: (t240) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets t30</font>, Hero calls t30, UTG folds, MP1 calls t30. River: (t330) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets t200</font> Final Pot: t530 [/ QUOTE ] In my early days of NL poker I used to slowplay all sets and trips, the whole way, unless someone pushed or raised a lot and I felt like I could get them to goall in. I also used to basically treat sets and trips the same. That's bad. That being said, though your play isn't terrible, I think you played too slowly... On the flop I think I'm ok with just the call. I think you were probably hoping that someone else raises, which is fine. I'm not really sure why you think this board is that scary on the turn. What are you afraid of, 6T or quad tens? I think if he has either I pay that off basically every time. I would have raised the turn, if for no other reason than value. I'd call a push. I'd have pushed back at the river. I'm still assuming I have the best hand. I don't know why you think you're "paying off" a river bet. [/ QUOTE ] He's afraid of 10-anything.. I think the check of the trips was fine here with the rainbow board and no apparent straight draws.. Great flop to slowplay usually |
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Re: Slowplayed trips gets ugly on turn - PP $30+3 3-table
Really stupid question, but what's the difference between a set and trips?
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Re: Slowplayed trips gets ugly on turn - PP $30+3 3-table
Set=Trips
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