Calldown with AJo, capped preflop?

Cosimo · #1 09-19-2005, 07:10 PM

This has been a really shitty week for me. I'm questioning everything. Of concern here, I'm having issues with when I should call down and when not.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 3-bets, MP2 caps, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls $0.25 (All-In).

Note MP1 calls all-in; he's making a last stand tournement-style. UTG+2 is 40/2, MP2 is 10/5, CO is new, and BB is 45/2 (on a small sample).

Flop: (24 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players, 1 all-in)

Well I hit my hand. What about villain?

BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, MP2 raises, CO folds, BB folds, Hero ...

With MP2 at 10/5, I think I need to hit some miracle card to win this, like a jack or running KQ. That's a big pot, but MP2 is no fish. I have odds to go after my jack, so here goes.

1) Question one, call or raise? I really think I'm behind villain here, but UTG+2 is also a concern.

Flop: ... Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (15 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)

2) Check-call? There's "omg big pot, don't fold" and then there's 10/2.

benkath1 · #2 09-19-2005, 07:13 PM

I'd be a little concerned with the 10/5 guy, but I'd call down with your hand.

POKhER · #3 09-19-2005, 07:22 PM

Over how many hands? AF is quite an important stat, can i see it.

5% im assuming thats pretty premium PP AK/AQs(/Ako-Aqo??)

I reckon calling down sucks ass.

I reckon calling here, donk betting the turn and folding to a raise etc is nicer?

Assume hes on a premium hand (Ak etc) this donk bet he will raise? Will he raise AQs?

It may help us pin his hands down so we can fold and exit this hand cheaply.

I dont see what we beat that he will constantly bet out with? But when checked to hes more likly to bluff, "Bluff raising" the turn is unlikly???

What do you guys reckon. I love calling flop raise and donk betting turn when i may be behind.

oh and after typing this i just realise calling down entices bluffs... Duh.

#4 09-19-2005, 07:24 PM

I threebet to get a free turn, then check call river.

POKhER · #5 09-19-2005, 07:27 PM

Three bet to give three turn?

1.5BBs for Flop/Turn.

Check/call, Check call = 1.5 bets too.

Thats not a good idea.

Call down or donk bet turn(Then take appropiate action to his play).

#6 09-19-2005, 07:31 PM

So you think its better to call the raise on flop and donk bet(=1.5BB) than threebet(=1BB) and check? My thinking is that I dont want to lay this hand down and I dont want to put much money into it. Your play has more fold potential but is it worth it? Do you get better hands to fold? Will something worse call?

benkath1 · #7 09-19-2005, 07:37 PM

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I threebet to get a free turn, then check call river.

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How excatly do you plan to get a free turn card OOP? If you are looking for a cheaper peel, 3 betting is not the was to do it.

I don't mind the 3 bet, but don't like your reason.

#8 09-19-2005, 07:43 PM

You are right. I think I am calling and doing the donk bet now. Whats your reasoning behind a 3-bet?

POKhER · #9 09-19-2005, 07:45 PM

Hes assuming villan calls the 3bet, then check behind us in fear of a check raise.

personally i think villan has a better hand already, and if not is going to bet into us when we check to him.

I just realised... PREFLOP FOLD YOUR AJo WHEN 2BACK TO YOU AND VILLAN IS 10/5. (EDIT: IGNORE - SO MANY CALLERS)

Call down: entices bluffers, is cheapest, we lose often.

3bet/Free turncard if it works is ok, if he caps peel then fold turn UI.

call flop, Donk bet turn in the attempt to:
call down by worse hands, Raised by better hands,make UTG+2 face 2cold?

thoughts everyone?

#10 09-19-2005, 07:52 PM

I just hate these type of hands. I cant decide between 3-bet check, 3-bet and bet turn, or call flop and donk bet.

If villain is capping the flop I think check fold is a good play?
Assuming you call the raise and donk bet. Or you 3-bet and villain call and you bet out on the turn. What happens if villain calls? Check fold, Check call, Bet fold???