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I've been at this table for about 50 hands. I have a solid TAG image and haven't showed down a loser yet.
A 21.5/13.12/2.14 after 1745 hands limps UTG. Other than that he seems to be playing pretty tight, I have no specific read on this guy as all these hands are from datamining. Postflop I don't have a read yet because he hasn't been involved in any hands. An LPP MP overlimps. I don't have stats, but I'd say 80/10/.5 describes him pretty nicely. Postflop this guy calls down anything. A high, bottom pair, underpairs, etc. He overcalled two bets on the river with A high very early in this session. I doubt he's even thinking on the first level. Shockingly the 50/6/1 CO folds. I am on the Button with KQo. The SB is too loose for her own good from that position. She's already called raises from that position with A9o, KJo and 56s. Postflop she also will call down with any piece of the board. The BB is 28.8/10.53/.95 also from datamining. But he seems to be playing looser than that today; I've seen him limp 9To UTG and A6o in MP. That .95 AF also seems to be a bit off as he's playing pretty aggressively postflop this session. So again, we're on the Button with KQo. What's our move? I think with this lineup it's a close decision. Thoughts? Don't just say "raise" because that's what you've garnered from the tight/aggressive/never-be-weak mantra. Thinking players should be elaborative. |
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Close between raising and limping. If both of the blinds are loose and bad, I probably limp; if both of the blinds are tight and good, I raise.
It's really important to consider the fact that you will be able to exploit your edge over the TAG more in the pot with the LPP that you have position on, as you will effectively be betting a hand that may very well be good against LPP (even K-high) into a protected pot against someone who calls down with anything. That puts much more pressure on a TAG to fold hands like 66 and 77 and A8s when they miss -- much more pressure than you probably imagine. Raising for representation is something that can help a lot in this instance, but it depends on how the TAG responds to the presence of other players. Rob |
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If both of the blinds are loose and bad, I probably limp; [/ QUOTE ] Rob, can you explain this? i know that KQo is not a great hand multiway. but if the blinds are calling here with crap, aren't you happy to exploit your equity edge (especially since you have position)? |
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[ QUOTE ] If both of the blinds are loose and bad, I probably limp; [/ QUOTE ] Rob, can you explain this? i know that KQo is not a great hand multiway. but if the blinds are calling here with crap, aren't you happy to exploit your equity edge (especially since you have position)? [/ QUOTE ] Your edge is rarely superhuge here with the TAG limping. In addition, read my earlier post about not bloating the pot such that you can put him to uglier decisions on the flop. This is one case where I would generally prefer to keep the flop smaller to increase the chances that I can get it HU against a field of players playing much worse hands. There are good arguments for both raising and limping, but any argument that doesn't take potsize manipulation into consideration strongly here with UTG's range of hands is seriously deficient IMO. Rob |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If both of the blinds are loose and bad, I probably limp; [/ QUOTE ] Rob, can you explain this? i know that KQo is not a great hand multiway. but if the blinds are calling here with crap, aren't you happy to exploit your equity edge (especially since you have position)? [/ QUOTE ] Your edge is rarely superhuge here with the TAG limping. In addition, read my earlier post about not bloating the pot such that you can put him to uglier decisions on the flop. This is one case where I would generally prefer to keep the flop smaller to increase the chances that I can get it HU against a field of players playing much worse hands. There are good arguments for both raising and limping, but any argument that doesn't take potsize manipulation into consideration strongly here with UTG's range of hands is seriously deficient IMO. Rob [/ QUOTE ] Potsize manipulation is a much bigger consideration with hands like 77-TT in this spot, and less with a hand that has 6 pair cards and several flops that give us OESD/Gutshots to the nuts. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If both of the blinds are loose and bad, I probably limp; [/ QUOTE ] Rob, can you explain this? i know that KQo is not a great hand multiway. but if the blinds are calling here with crap, aren't you happy to exploit your equity edge (especially since you have position)? [/ QUOTE ] Your edge is rarely superhuge here with the TAG limping. In addition, read my earlier post about not bloating the pot such that you can put him to uglier decisions on the flop. This is one case where I would generally prefer to keep the flop smaller to increase the chances that I can get it HU against a field of players playing much worse hands. There are good arguments for both raising and limping, but any argument that doesn't take potsize manipulation into consideration strongly here with UTG's range of hands is seriously deficient IMO. Rob [/ QUOTE ] Potsize manipulation is a much bigger consideration with hands like 77-TT in this spot, and less with a hand that has 6 pair cards and several flops that give us OESD/Gutshots to the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] Well, your value is generally greater with a hand like TT-77 (esp. on the upper end) than it is with KQo, so while potsize manipulation is important, there's certainly a balance. Rob |
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If both of the blinds are loose and bad, I probably limp [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] if the blinds are calling here with crap, aren't you happy to exploit your equity edge [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Your edge is rarely superhuge here with the TAG limping. [/ QUOTE ] Not raising blinds because they are loose and bad makes no sense. Our edge against TAG maybe isnt big, but this doesnt change the fact that it is big against the bad blinds coming in with "any2". |
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The only player who gives me pause from insta-raising is the UTG TAG. What his range for the UTG limp?
small PP: 22-66 suited connectors: 45s-QJs Axs: A2s-A8s AA-(KK maybe) if he's trying for a LRR. The table is playing kind of passively aside from you so this possibility is remote. A raise would be best for this table if he had AA UTG because he'd get the tard in HJ to come along at least. So you're ahead of nearly everything within his range. This and the possibility of folding out the BB makes this a clear raise for me. |
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FWIW- I don't think this flavor of tag is limping much short of T9s in this spot.
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FWIW- I don't think this flavor of tag is limping much short of T9s in this spot. [/ QUOTE ] Not typically, but this is an especially passive table preflop. He might feel a little more comfy..it's a stretch though. |
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