turn decision

gopnik · #1 09-19-2005, 08:16 AM

Do I raise this turn? Please, give your reasoning for your decision. Sorry, no reads on the villain.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, 5 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

dopp16 · #2 09-19-2005, 08:18 AM

3 bet the turn, not even close

imported_The Vibesman · #3 09-19-2005, 08:21 AM

I'm raising on the possibility that villian has JT or some similar holding. Check-raise with top pair seems likely. It's possible that he had T9 for the two pair. Also that he decided to raise his QJ str8 draw to "clean up outs." But there's no way of knowing anything like that now(esp. w/o reads), so I have to assume he had top pair and I have drawn out on him. I'm calling down a threebet.

hemstock · #4 09-19-2005, 08:22 AM

I would.
The only thing that makes sense to check-raise on the flop is a set (TT not likely since he didn't raise pf) or 99s and 55s, or a flush draw or even just top pair... I think you should throw in a raise on the turn and call down if he raises you.

@bsolute_luck · #5 09-19-2005, 08:40 AM

i like how you played it. i'd rather have a busted draw continue to bet into me than raise here and get 3-bet by QJ or 2-pair.

jrz1972 · #6 09-19-2005, 09:01 AM

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i like how you played it. i'd rather have a busted draw continue to bet into me than raise here and get 3-bet by QJ or 2-pair.

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If villain check-raised the flop with a draw (certainly possible), then you want to get your raise in now. He's not betting or calling the river unless he hits.

@bsolute_luck · #7 09-19-2005, 11:29 AM

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i like how you played it. i'd rather have a busted draw continue to bet into me than raise here and get 3-bet by QJ or 2-pair.

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If villain check-raised the flop with a draw (certainly possible), then you want to get your raise in now. He's not betting or calling the river unless he hits.

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this is true but is read-dependent. i have bluffers fire the last shot a vast majority of the time when they're OOP. however, if positions were reversed i agree.

the reason i don't raise here is i don't fold the river if he 3-bets this turn: do you guys? so with that asked, we're not improving ourselves by raising here if UTG is on a flush draw or an OESD. so i just call here.

SIDE NOTE: i've been playing weak-tight lately due to MASSIVE suckouts recently and a 200BB downswing [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img], so that could affect my thinking [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

imported_The Vibesman · #8 09-19-2005, 09:01 AM

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i like how you played it. i'd rather have a busted draw continue to bet into me than raise here and get 3-bet by QJ or 2-pair.

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Heads up I would agree with this, FWIW. I like the raise with another opponent left to act.

jrz1972 · #9 09-19-2005, 08:57 AM

I would raise that turn. First, I'm probably ahead now so I want to raise for value. Second, I would like to lose UTG+1 if possible, so I want to raise for protection.

Redd · #10 09-19-2005, 09:57 AM

As an aside, how many unknown Villains would everyone need in front of them on the flop to check this behind here?