10/20: blind defense round 5, part 3 - QTo

Surfbullet · #1 09-19-2005, 03:13 AM

Villain is 56/42/5 over 89 hands.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 2.75 BB

This hand left me feeling icky. I didn't want to take Q-hi to showdown. I also knew this opponent wasn't going to just give up because I called the flop. I also am not confident in making him fold a better hand.

Surf

Victor · #2 09-19-2005, 03:15 AM

how do you play if you flop a pair or a draw? do you think you make enough to offset the pf call and flop fold?

cartman · #3 09-19-2005, 07:47 AM

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how do you play if you flop a pair or a draw? do you think you make enough to offset the pf call and flop fold?

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I think I know what you mean, but I'm sure you realize that the flop fold is zero EV. I make sure plenty of bets go in against this guy when I have a pair and I play like a passive little bitch when I have a draw. With stats like that I figure he is quite willing to raise and reraise regardless of his cards and that is not my idea of a good time when I don't have a pair. I think the implied odds against a guy like this are tremendous and it is perfectly affordable to defend liberally and then fold liberally until you have showdown value and then PUNISH him.

Cartman

bank · #4 09-19-2005, 03:20 AM

This is fine.

Catt · #5 09-19-2005, 03:34 AM

Tough hand. Sometimes I just call down, even with Q-high. Sometimes I fold the flop.

yanicehand · #6 09-19-2005, 04:03 AM

I've grown accustomed to folding a good portion of the time in these situations.

oreogod · #7 09-19-2005, 08:47 AM

Im not folding here. U have a super aggressive player raising preflop and u have Overs and a backdoor str8. If he wasnt insane postflop, Id CR. But since he is I think this is a call. If u hit a T or a Q u are getting paid off big.

The game is 4 handed. Ur hand is unlikely to be dominated. You have overs to the board w/ a Bd str8 against a super agro. = call, at least.

kiddo · #8 09-19-2005, 09:02 AM

Domination is not likely and implied odds are great. Checkcall flop. Fold turn if it isnt Q, J, T or 9.

Surfbullet · #9 09-19-2005, 12:13 PM

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Domination is not likely and implied odds are great. Checkcall flop. Fold turn if it isnt Q, J, T or 9.

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Hey kiddo,

a J or 9 only gives me a gutshot. I need 6.8:1 to hit a pair and I'm only getting 5.5:1. Are implied odds sufficient to make this up? Also, if we call the turn w/ overs + a gutshot we are getting 4.25:1 to call and hit a 7-10 outer? I feel like we give up alot by folding when we miss because of insufficient pot odds.

Surf

kiddo · #10 09-20-2005, 04:45 AM

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I need 6.8:1 to hit a pair and I'm only getting 5.5:1. Are implied odds sufficient to make this up?

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Easily. Think about this way: What will happen if I hit pair on turn? 1) You will almost always be ahead. 2) He will almost never fold. 3) You will probably get 2BB out of him.

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a J or 9 only gives me a gutshot.

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Yes, its marginal to call turn (pretty EVneutral I would guess), but against a player this aggressive, raising 42% preflop - I think u should call with 10 outs for straight or toppair on turn.

If u hit u will often get one more BB out of him. Also there are some chance - I guess - he will check behind on river with worse hand (I dont know this of course, maybe there isnt).