10/25NL, QQvAA - Did I lose the minimum?

[other1]

Playing 10/25NL @ Borgata this weekend. Somewhat shorthanded, maybe 7 at the time.

I have ~1900, BB has me well covered.

I find QQ in mid position. After a limper or 2 I raise to 75. Folds around to BB who makes it 400 to go. Folded to me and I call.

Flop comes a J high rainbow. BB bets 150 and I raise 500 on top. After much thought and debating outloud whether I flopped a set on him BB reraises me all in (about 800 more at this point). This puts me in the tank for a while.. Finally BB says 'I think you are drawing to 2 outs'. My response is 'Well I'm sure one of us is'. After another minute of thought I say 'I think its more likely to be me here' and muck my queens face up. BB is a gentleman and shows me his aces.

So, did I lose the minimum here? Did I miss an easy laydown preflop? I knew BB was rocksolid player. Should I have just smoothcalled the flop bet and hoped to catch a set later? Any thoughts welcome. Thanks.

[queenhigh]

if he's rock solid, im probably folding preflop with only $1800 behind

his flop bet of $150 into an $800 pot is wierd, the jack probably spooked him. i'd probably just call and hope to see the river card for free and maybe get a cheap showdown.

[xorbie]

No, losing the minimum would have been folding preflop. Next time don't put the results in your thread title, sorta skews the responses.

Also raise way more PF the first time, and either fold or push to the reraise. Raising this flop is pretty bad IMO.

[AZK]

Yes, against rocko this is a good fold. I heard about this hand. I was there this weekend playing as well, maybe we played together? I was wearing a michigan shirts on both days...

[other1]

Lol. Guess I'm famous. Did you also hear about the hand at the same table where a guy called $8k with Q7 on a Q high flop? I might post about that one seperately..

I do vaguely remember seeing a guy in a michigan shirt. I was the guy using a small metal bird as a card protector.

[AZK]

Yeah, I heard about the 8k pot, that guy was awesome. I was sitting next to you earlier in the night before I went to dinner, we were playing short for a little bit...our game almost broke.

[Jeffage]

Against Rocco, this is muckzilla time preflop.

Jeff

[other1]

Well, even against Rocco, and even if I give him kings or aces, I probably see a flop for 400 more. However it is pretty clear to me now that it was muck time when I didn't hit a set or a board that looked like 9TJ or something. I already knew where I was at when he raised me preflop so my raise to see where I was at postflop was throwing money away.

[lapoker17]

If the board was reallly 9JT, then you can't fold (or raise unless you're trying to represent set/straight and end it right here). Just call his flop bet. 10 outs facing a small bet?

[AZK]

I'd say 10% of the time rocco does this with utter trash....