top 5 under 25?

[ejay]

i saw somewhere that daniel n. thinks joe cassidy was the best player in the world under 25. I was a bit suprised by that beacsue you dont hear about him very much. That got me thinking about who i would rank in the top 5 under 25 category. I am by no means an expert but here are my top 5

1. Pharhald Friedman? I think he is 25 right? he is maybe the biggest winner in online poker/ wsop braclet
2. Thunder keller.(24 or 25) braclet + high stakes online player
3. David williams (24). Two second places finishes in big events
4. John dagstino.(22) High tourny finishes + high stakes online player and live
5.Joe Cassidy. High stakes player with some high finishes.

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[TomHimself]

prahlad has a bracelet? u sure?

[ClaytonN]

Yes he won one for PLHE i think a few years back.

Anyways, we can't really comment on who the best players are under 25 because we never see how they do in the big cashgames and all the other tournaments.

Watching Cassidy talk poker with Hellmuth during the WSOPME final table was interesting.

[ejay]

pot limit hold em 2003.

[TomHimself]

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pot limit hold em 2003.

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fischman is 24 or 25 and is a multiple bracelet winner, with one of them coming in one of the most stacked fields ever seen in tournament poker, that in itself is an amazing achievement (2004 HORSE)....it doesnt change that he comes across as a huge douchebag every time he graces a television screen, but you must give credit where it is due.

[ejay]

your right he prolly should be on the list. One thing about him is that he does not play cash games and all of the others do. I tried to base it on both cash games and tournaments

[TheBlueMonster]

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fischman is 24 or 25 and is a multiple bracelet winner, with one of them coming in one of the most stacked fields ever seen in tournament poker, that in itself is an amazing achievement (2004 HORSE)....it doesnt change that he comes across as a huge douchebag every time he graces a television screen, but you must give credit where it is due.

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he's not a douche anymore. Even Fossilman likes the guy and he has a pretty good douche-radar [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Notorious G.O.B.]

How old is Eric Sagstrom? I know nothing about the guy's game, but Gus Hansen says he's the best limit hold'em player in the world.

[Python49]

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3. David williams (24). Two second places finishes in big events


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Please get this guy off your list asap. I could be wrong and i'd hope for someone to clarify but this guy was not a consistent LONG term winner at poker until he got second in the 2004 main event. Can we please not forget how uber donkish his plays were? How many times was he almost eliminated and outdrew someone? Flat calling 33% of your stack out of position with 55 and then checking dark? There are people who have seen him play online and tracked hand histories of him and its been said he is not a long term winner at cash tables. Way I see it, he is another guy who got lucky at a big tourney and now uses that to play poker with. Someone PLEASE give me the facts if im wrong because i'd love to like this guy and give him respect, i just can't do it based on what ive seen from him.

Now on the other hand, scott fischman I feel is a GREAT player. He was winning tournies on pokerstars and grinding out the cash tables at a good win rate long before winning his bracelets. He is very knowledgable in terms of long term success in poker, he multi tables well, and comes across to me as a typical 2+2'er young gun who has put in his time learning about the game. David williams to me does not seem like this type of player. Ask him about about pot odds and expected value and see what he tells you...