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09-16-2005, 10:35 PM
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Value bet or induce a bluff
short handed 80/160 UB
game is going kind of aggressive and you're not hitting your hands very well tonight, though you *think* you may have a decent if not good reputation over the past couple of sessions. the button open raises. sb folds. you call in the bb with Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] board comes out: Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] you check. he bets. you checkraise. he 3-bets. you call. turn: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Check. check. What rivers are you betting? What rivers are you checking? 
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#2
09-16-2005, 10:38 PM
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Re: Value bet or induce a bluff
Ranges here are wide, not just flush draws, pocket pairs less thn queens would do this, as would AK and sometimes, correctly, A,>Q. I would only induce BLUFFS on the aces, i may fold, but i would def. induce value bets for c/r's on rags against some opponents.
I would have lead the turn.
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#4
09-18-2005, 09:51 AM
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Re: Value bet or induce a bluff
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Ranges here are wide, not just flush draws, pocket pairs less thn queens would do this, as would AK and sometimes, correctly, A,>Q. I would only induce BLUFFS on the aces, i may fold, but i would def. induce value bets for c/r's on rags against some opponents. I would have lead the turn. [/ QUOTE ] why lead the turn instead of capping the flop and leading the turn?
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#5
09-18-2005, 10:30 AM
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Re: Value bet or induce a bluff
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[ QUOTE ] Ranges here are wide, not just flush draws, pocket pairs less thn queens would do this, as would AK and sometimes, correctly, A,>Q. I would only induce BLUFFS on the aces, i may fold, but i would def. induce value bets for c/r's on rags against some opponents. I would have lead the turn. [/ QUOTE ] why lead the turn instead of capping the flop and leading the turn? [/ QUOTE ] It's also an option, but i think the equity on that last bet is very very close so i'd rather see the turn card, let my equity change, then decide gem says hi.
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#8
09-17-2005, 02:44 AM
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Re: Value bet or induce a bluff
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I bet all rivers. Checking twice is too clear a signal that you intend to call. He's unlikely to make a mistake. Bet the river and hope to be called by AK, JJ, TT... [/ QUOTE ] Obviously, checking twice is unlikely to induce a bluff on blank rivers, but A-high hands are unlikely to call a bet. The types of hands that will call the river will also probably value bet if checked to twice, and may pay off a checkraise cause the line looks so wonky.
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#9
09-17-2005, 02:54 AM
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Re: Value bet or induce a bluff
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[ QUOTE ] I bet all rivers. Checking twice is too clear a signal that you intend to call. He's unlikely to make a mistake. Bet the river and hope to be called by AK, JJ, TT... [/ QUOTE ] Obviously, checking twice is unlikely to induce a bluff on blank rivers, but A-high hands are unlikely to call a bet. The types of hands that will call the river will also probably value bet if checked to twice, and may pay off a checkraise cause the line looks so wonky. [/ QUOTE ] In my experience, people call with ace-high unimproved all the time, feeling that they have induced a bluff from you, the "busted flush draw". Check-raising blanks is an intriguing concept, but I feel the missed bets from ace-high don't make up for the extra bets from JJ. my 2 cents. Eric
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#10
09-17-2005, 03:32 AM
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Re: Value bet or induce a bluff
If he put the OP on a flush draw/thought A-high was good, why didn't he bet the turn and take the free showdown? Checking behind the turn with what you believe to be the best, but very vulnerable hand in order to induce a river bluff from a potential 15-out hand is just terrible poker. The only A high hands he has a decent chance of getting a call from are busted nut flush draws.
Also, it's not just JJ that will value bet a blank river if checked to here, it's JJ, TT, 99, A8, K8, J8 and any other 8 if he's tenacious.
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