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Here's an advanced play I thought I'd write about to see what people think. Suppose you complete after someone limped in with a low card up, you have a 3-flush with the Ace up, and someone with a King up calls. Suppose further that on fourth street the boards read
(T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img])A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (xx) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (xx) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] you bet, the King calls, and the third player now raises. If you believe the third player's most likely hand is a 4-flush (and it usually is), I think the a good play is to go ahead and make it 3-bets. This will normally fold the King even if he has a pair of Kings. The play may even be correct even if you don't catch a pair on fourth street. |
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I like it.... you probably have a hair more than 33% equity so if the K calls you're not in bad shape.
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Yeah, I do this often with a variety of hands. A continuation of the idea that many hands do better headsup.
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Having started the hand looking for a flush, I'm thinking I want people in the hand.
Catching the 8 on 3rd, I could not go on to 3-bet because I would still be hoping for a flush card to come to me on 5th, and therefore I dont want anyone out of the hand yet. The pair of 8s is improvement enough in my own mind to proceed to fifth. SO- Are you telling me I'm too inflexible in my thinking...that within a hand like this, I need to adapt to what develops, rather than remain stuck on what I hoped for when I started the hand? your somewhat less advanced blind samurai masseuse |
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Interesting idea. Would you play aces the same way?
Because I’d usually check aces here (if diamonds are live; also player dependent, sometimes I bet them). Than I’d either check-raise or just call (planning to either bet out on 5th or check-raise now, again depending on the player). I’d probably play this pair + 3-flush combo the same way here. I guess I just like my pots a little smaller. I haven’t thought this through though and it all depends on the players and what cards are dead. |
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Would you play aces the same way? Because I’d usually check aces here (if diamonds are live; also player dependent, sometimes I bet them). [/ QUOTE ] I'd normally play aces the same. If I have your read, I might check-raise in both cases. For some reason though, I think bet/3-betting is more likely to fold the Kings, even though in that case he would be putting in a bet on a street and still not getting to see the next card, which is a big no-no for some. |
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Why wouldn't you check-raise? If you don't get this hand heads up, you've created a mess. you will likely be four bet with what i believe will be a less than 33% equity. The thing about this play is that it gets an OK result when you are successful, and a miserable result when unsuccessful. The thing about a four-flush is that they aren't going to play incorrectly. They will be calling correctly with odds, or betting into you when you're behind.
Players who have already called a completion are very tough to shake on 4th street. I think a potential better play is to see what develops on 5th street. |
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Why wouldn't you check-raise? If you don't get this hand heads up, you've created a mess. [/ QUOTE ] Are we talking about aces or 8s now? Anyway, you’re right - check-raising can create a mess if the kings don’t fold (and the flush draw maybe even caps). So I would only do it if a) I think there is a good chance the kings will fold and if b) I’m not sure that the flush draw really is a flush draw (say this is a loose-aggro opponent who might just have a pair, but will bet his board here if checked to. |
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Huh? How do you know the 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] will bet here so you can checkraise the king out? More likely if you check it will be checked around or the king will bet so your checkraise would only fatten the pot and give them all odds to chase to the bitter end. I'd much rather bet here and if you're fortunate enough to be raised by the likely flush draw you go ahead and reraise to shut the kings out.
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3 way...
As Ts 8s 8c 169685 33.94 330314 66.06 1 0.00 0.339 4c 3c Kd Kh 128718 25.74 371276 74.26 6 0.00 0.257 Jd 7d 5d 2d 201591 40.32 298404 59.68 5 0.00 0.403 2 way........ As Ts 8s 8c 242336 48.47 257664 51.53 0 0.00 0.485 Jd 7d 5d 2d 257664 51.53 242336 48.47 0 0.00 0.515 |
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